Phillip wrote:"Abel is righteous only because he acted on the information God gave him and offered a better sacrifice than Cain."So would you say that Abel was saved by grace through faith?
_________________Jer 15:16 Your words were found, and I ate them, And Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart; For I am called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts.
"As the individual submits to these three ways the individual is taught the lie. Going back to the beginning...Gen 3:5 "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Gen 3:6 So when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make [one] wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate."In the beginning we find this testimony of Eve and Adam. First we find that Eve was deceived... 2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity [fn] that is in Christ.In the following Scripture we find that God holds Adam accountable in a way that Eve is not...Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.Then we are told this in Scripture...1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.So we find that Eve was deceived, but Adam was not. And we know that Adam was held accountable for sin entering the world. Why?Job 31:33 If I have covered my transgressions as Adam, By hiding my iniquity in my bosom,Unlike Eve, Adam was not deceived by Satan, but chose to willingly disobey. He chose to hide his transgression from God. This is the reason for his shame before God. So he sinned against God. Adam also blamed Eve for his transgression. So he sinned against another.And what does Scripture say that God requires of man?Mar 12:30 'And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' [fn] This [is] the first commandment. [fn]Mar 12:31 "And the second, like [it, is] this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' [fn] There is no other commandment greater than these."
Rookie wrote:"""So would you say that Abel was saved by grace through faith?"""Yes, but only as a shadow of what Christ would do on the Cross, not having received the promise, "emnity between Eve's offspring and the devil's offspring," Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit Comforter in us at Pentecost.Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:The Promise fulfilled, the Mystery revealed, the fulfillment of the Word of God; Colossians 1:25-29 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.In Christ: Phillip
_________________"Christ in you the Hope of Glory" "The life I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God."
Gen 3:17 Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it': "Cursed [is] the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat [of] it All the days of your life.In this verse we see that God declares why Adam is found guilty. Adam chose to obey the voice of his wife instead of God's voice. We see that Adam's choice questioned God's sovereignty.According to Scripture, God has established this precept for all mankind. Job 34:10 "Therefore listen to me, you men of understanding: Far be it from God [to do] wickedness, And [from] the Almighty to [commit] iniquity.Job 34:11 For He repays man [according to] his work, And makes man to find a reward according to [his] way.Job 34:12 Surely God will never do wickedly, Nor will the Almighty pervert justice.Job 34:13 Who gave Him charge over the earth? Or who appointed [Him over] the whole world?Job 34:14 If He should set His heart on it, [If] He should gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath,Job 34:15 All flesh would perish together, And man would return to dust.In the beginning we find that God is establishing this precept for His creation...Job 34:11 For He repays man [according to] his work, And makes man to find a reward according to [his] way.In the beginning... God's creation was given a choice. Has this precept changed?
Rookie wrote:"""In the beginning... God's creation was given a choice. Has this precept changed?"""Yes, praise God. Mans choice condemned the whole human race, praise God His Choice for all mankind was Jesus Christ, being the ultimate price paid for the redemption of those that have been given faith to believe in Him and His Cross.We cannot do it, no matter how much we try to manipulate the Word of God to make man responsible for His own salvation, it cannot be done. It has taken God's intervention to at least give those of His election the faith to believe and return to God whom all mankind can not give Him the respect and obedience and love He so completely deserves as our maker and God.He has made Jesus Christ all that we are or will ever be, that includes all it takes to redeem completely those that are His.Who are the foolish, who think they are wise, who are the week, who think they are mighty? Who are the base things of the world condemned to hell, Who are the despised because of the fall of man? These God has chose to bring to the things that are, The only thing that we can glory in, which is Jesus Christ the Son of God in whom He is well pleased, I might say the only One God is pleased with. Jesus Christ has been made unto those that believe the only way to wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption. I am pleasing to God because of His Son that is in me and no other reason.1 Corinthians 1:27-31 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.Let us glory in Him whom by our obedience through His power that dwells in us by His Spirit and His Son, That we might give thanks for the "great things He has done". Returning the Love that has been given to us, by so great a sacrifice of the Cross of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. By His stripes we are heald, by His resurrected Life we live, by His great love we love."For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil"How many thousands of years has God shown man that he fails every test and needs to be a new creation? That is only occomplished in Christ Jesus, who is rebirthed in the now become son's of God.In Christ: Phillip
Hi Christinyou, wounderful nick by the way,RE: Christinyou wrote /We cannot do it, no matter how much we try to manipulate the Word of God to make man responsible for His own salvation, it cannot be done./Man can not of himself save himself, agreedMan does not seek after God, God draws Man to himself,agreed Romans ch 3 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw (all men) unto me.Some men will reject that draw but the Bible says that Jesus is drawing (all) men to himself.
_________________"I grant freely that the theory of "plenary verbal inspiration," involves some difficulties. I do not pretend to answer all the objections brought against it, or to defend all that has been written by its supporters. I am content to remember that all inspiration is a miraculous operation of the Holy Ghost, and, like every operation of the Holy Ghost, must needs be mysterious." - John Charles Ryle
Proudpapa wrote: """Some men will reject that draw but the Bible says that Jesus is drawing (all) men to himself."""Amen, but I would hate to be in the hands of the living God in rejecting that draw, God is the hound of Heaven and He will not let go of His chosen children or stop. Even unto us eating with the pigs.Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.In Christ: Phillip
RE:Christinyou wrote/Amen, but I would hate to be in the hands of the living God in rejecting that draw, God is the hound of Heaven and He will not let go of His chosen children or stop. Even unto us eating with the pigs./In the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God and infinate wisdom beyound our comprehinsion, I agree
Phillip wrote:"Yes, praise God. Mans choice condemned the whole human race,"Does this mean that you accept the truth that God had given Lucifer, Adam, and Eve choice?
Rookie wrote: """Does this mean that you accept the truth that God had given Lucifer, Adam, and Eve choice?"""Yes and God knowing that choice, provided the Lamb slain even from the foundation of the world and us that are chosen are to be in Christ even before the foundation of the world. All will worship Him, even those that are not in the Lambs book of life.Ephesians 1:4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:What good is mans choice with out the Choices of the Lamb slain in the believer? Romans 8:9-13 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.Our only choice is to believe that the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world is our only decision that remains."Christ in you the hope of glory".Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:Col 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.This is our only perfect worship, In Him. This worship, not as the world but by His own perfect worship of the Father that dwells in us.Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.I Christ: Phillip
