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Discussion Forum : Scriptures and Doctrine : For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

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Christinyou
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Rookie wrote:
"""The Scriptures testify as to how God raised up prophets for Himself...have you not read these testimonies? What is the common "method" used by God?"""


By His infinite wisdom, in the old testament to fulfill the scriptures. In the New Testament for the edification and building up of the Body of Christ His Church.

Revelation 22:16-21 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

The word of prophecy direct to the body of Christ His Church.

This is what a new testament prophet is for today. God is the One that gives them to the Church.

Ephesians 4:11-13 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

In Christ: Phillip


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 2012/5/13 20:21Profile
rookie
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Phillip wrote:

"The word of prophecy direct to the body of Christ His Church.
This is what a new testament prophet is for today. God is the One that gives them to the Church."


In Revelation 22:16-21, God sent an angel, or messenger. In Ephesians God also sent prophets. How do the prophets know what to say?


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Jer 15:16 Your words were found, and I ate them, And Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart; For I am called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts.

 2012/5/14 3:54Profile









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Abel was the first prophet of God. From Scripture what do we know of prophets? Did God teach them what to say and do?

In all honesty, how is Abel the first prophet? He spoke of nothing that remotely characterizes of what a prophet is.

 2012/5/14 4:12









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You profess not to know how Abel pleased God? Is not God's Holy Spirit Abel's teacher? Is not God's Holy Spirit the source of Abel's faith?

The promise had not yet been given back then, and there is no indication from scripture that God instructed Abel at all. Abel could have been instructed by Adam who walked with God. God could have easily have mentioned many things to Adam about these things to which he probably told his son about them. Who put it in their minds the need to sacrifice something to God, where did that idea come from?

Could it be that it came from a guilty conscience when they left the garden? That feeling that when you anger a parent we approach them with a gift to ease our way back into their loving arms?

Cain tilled the ground and brought of his abundance, thus God showing us the first glimpse of the law and faith, flesh and Spirit, the two workings. Prophetically speaking, neither Abel nor Cain were prophets, but their very lives and what they did was prophetic.

 2012/5/14 4:26
Christinyou
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" but their very lives and what they did was prophetic." Yes

The only thing speaking, is the blood from the ground, pointing to Christ. Amen

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

And Amen

In Christ: Phillip


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 2012/5/14 8:52Profile
rookie
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approved wrote:

"neither Abel nor Cain were prophets, but their very lives and what they did was prophetic."


Luk 11:49 "Therefore the wisdom of God also said, 'I will send them prophets and apostles, and [some] of them they will kill and persecute,'

Luk 11:50 "that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation,

Luk 11:51 "from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation.



The above Scripture confirms that Abel was a prophet...


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Luk 11:51 "from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation.

The above Scripture confirms that Abel was a prophet...

Great! You won't get no argument from me, however, in saying that, scripture is missing in proving that he spoke anything prophetic.

If Jesus is calling him a prophet, then great. Okay, now lets ask ourselves, what did he prophesy about?

Can a prophet be a prophet without uttering anything?

Thank you for bringing those scriptures to light. I don't know everything.

 2012/5/14 17:10
KingJimmy
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Abel's utterance was his cry from the grave for justice. And being that he was regarded by God as just, it is evident he had faith. So my guess would be that he said something at some point about that faith. We believe therefor we speak. And it was enough to anger his brother to murder him. And though dead, he still spoke.

Just a thought :-)


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 2012/5/14 17:17Profile
rookie
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approved asked:

"Can a prophet be a prophet without uttering anything?"

Abraham was a prophet according to Scripture. I don't recall any events where he resembled someone like Isaiah or Jeremiah.


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Jer 15:16 Your words were found, and I ate them, And Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart; For I am called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts.

 2012/5/14 17:18Profile









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If Abel and Abraham are prophets and said nothing, than everyone who has faith must be a prophet.

Unless the word prophet is meaning something other than one who prophecy's.

I have heard it said that what Abel was crying out from the ground was vengeance. As it says concerning Christ, Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel.

The "better things" that Christ is probably calling out to God is to have mercy instead.

These are not my thoughts, I am repeating from a preacher from many years ago.

 2012/5/14 20:00





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