Art: Wrote"""I would have liked to believe all Christians actual understood this. The Laws of Moses are death for me. The Laws of Jesus Christ is God's gift of eternal life who believe Him, and thereby we walk by faith with God, and He will transform our very nature to the point where we will naturally do the good we ought to be doing."""Amen, according to His plan: Ephesians 1:3-4 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:Blessings in Him Art: Phillip
_________________"Christ in you the Hope of Glory" "The life I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God."
Art B wrote:"My reply to Rookie, NO!Here is why:God Annihilated the entire Mosaic Law when Jesus died on the cross. See Zecariah 11: 7-13" Therefore the Mosaic Law is not applicable to us at all. Scripture is very clear on this."You may have misunderstood the question put to Phillip, at least as I intended it to be...A few posts prior to the one you responded to, I stated that neither Job or Abraham lived under the Mosaic Covenant. And that Scripture testifies that God reveals His will to these men through the power of the Holy Spirit. So when Phillip posted this thought..."I did not specify Moses Law, any command of God is a Law." I responded with this verse..."Jhn 14:21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."So ArtB... if Jesus asks you to do something and you obey, are you in bondage to the law and thus unable to please God, or are you being led by the Spirit of God?
_________________Jer 15:16 Your words were found, and I ate them, And Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart; For I am called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts.
Quote: Rookie wrote;""" Re: Phillip wrote:"That would depend on ones motives. If we are pleasing God by keeping the Law, we of all men are most miserable, for even if we could keep the Law, there is no life in the Law."Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.The written word of God condemns those who live according to the flesh. It is only through the Spirit that one is delivered from the law of condemnation. So your answer above concerning motive should be based on what?"""Answer:Jesus Christ and His completed work on the Cross and His return in the Flesh of Men by His Spirit, flesh quickened by the Holy Spirit and sealed into Christ being baptized into One Spirit, making us born again of the incorruptable Seed of the Father; "sons of God"In Christ: Phillip
Aren't you guys going around in circles? I am getting dizzy.If we walk in the Spirit, this is all that matters.Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. John 15:14 WHATSOEVER...Do we hear His voice...
sarahsdream wrote:" Re: Aren't you guys going around in circles? I am getting dizzy.If we walk in the Spirit, this is all that matters.Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. John 15:14 WHATSOEVER...Do we hear His voice... Yes this has been a drawn out process, but sometimes the word of God takes time to penetrate the minds of those who for one reason or another choose not to hear....Your question is also my question..."Do we hear His voice..." I am still waiting for ArtB and Phillip to recognize this in Scripture...Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?This is for ArtB and Phillip...Can man walk with God without knowing His voice?
Mt 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.Mr 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.Lu 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, (Gentiles)which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.It is not up to me to hear God, it is only up to me to listen. God is the One that must speak and give us ears to hear and eyes to see.Acts 28:24-28 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, (Jesus Christ and Him crucified) Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.Do we Hear Him? "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, "Hear ye Him."Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:By whom do we Hear? By Him that is in us, The Spirit of Jesus Christ by rebirth giving us new life, past, present and future, sending the Holy Spirit to tell us all things that Jesus says, has said and will say. Jesus has said things to me in the past, He says things now and He will certainly say things to me tomorrow and until He comes and we are face to face.In Him: Phillip a sheep. Then; De 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.Now, "they will hear it" Acts 28-28Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.Lu 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.In Christ: Phillip
Phillip wrote:"It is not up to me to hear God, it is only up to me to listen. God is the One that must speak and give us ears to hear and eyes to see."There are many examples in the Holy Scripture which teach that men fail to hear...Hbr 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hbr 5:10 called by God as High Priest "according to the order of Melchizedek," Hbr 5:11 of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. Whether it is the Corinthian, Galatian, Hebrew, or Ephesian church, there are those who are dull of hearing...Why?
Quote:"""Whether it is the Corinthian, Galatian, Hebrew, or Ephesian church, there are those who are dull of hearing...Why?"""Because of the hardness of mans heart.Who is dull of hearing? Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.Acts 28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.Israel is dull of hearing.The Gentiles could not hear at all.Romans 10:14-21 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.Only by God making manifest who He is by His Grace and mercy through faith can Jew or Gentile come to the knowledge of God through the foolishness of the preaching of the Word of God.I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.Romans 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.Unless ye are born again no one can understand the things of God, it is God who gives rebirth, by Jesus Christ the Incorruptable Seed of the Father born again in those that now believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.Now by the Christ from above birthed in us we can hear with ears from above given to us in Christ.All mankind are incapable of Hearing God unless He gives the ears to hear and and by hearing believe the Gospel of Christ in you the Hope of Glory, the mystery hidden from all ages now manifest to His saints, which is the fulfillment of the Word of God.In Christ: Phillip
Phillip wrote:"Now by the Christ from above birthed in us we can hear with ears from above given to us in Christ."The Corinthian, Galatian, Hebrew, and Ephesian church all had Christ, yet many were dull of hearing...why?
Galatians 3:1-3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?The Jewish Church trying to bring them back under the LAW. Obey the Law and you will please God. NOT! Paul is admonishing them to hear by the faith that is come. No dull of hearing, just plain wrong teaching creptin. "bewitched"Pleasing God has nothing to do with keeping the Law or not keeping the Law, that is false representation of what Christ did and makes the Cross of no avail. God looks at the Cross and sees me, God looks at me and sees Christ.Strong's Greek Dictionary940. baskainoSearch for G940 in KJVSLbaskainw baskaino bas-kah'-ee-noakin to 5335; to malign, i.e. (by extension) to fascinate (by false representations):--bewitch.In Christ: Phillip
