Someone who jumped ahead said:
What is the land of promise for the born again, new creature in Christ? It is not any promised land of this earth.
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Indeed, it is not just "any promised land of this earth."

It is the whole earth and the fulness thereof:
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
~Mt. 5.5

AND AGAIN GOD REVEALS
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all,
HOW SHALL HE NOT WITH HIM ALSO FREELY GIVE US ALL THINGS?
. . .For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
~Rom. 8.32,36


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This same someone continued:
What is the result of what God has done at the Cross? It is not any earthly attaining to salvation.
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Please chew on the above verses again in relation to these pieces of misinformation, then chew on this:

You must quit seperating the physical from the spiritual as though they are two different things. They are not. Without the Spiritual side providing life, the physical would not even exist. It is impossible to seperate these two things:

Through faith we understand that
THE WORLDS WERE FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD ,
so that
THINGS WHICH ARE SEEN WERE NOT MADE OF THINGS WHICH DO APPEAR.
Heb. 11.3

AND AGAIN:
Who<--[EL (ELYON), our Heavenly father]
hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
FOR BY HIM [Jesus]WERE ALL THINGS CREATED,
that are IN HEAVEN, AND that are IN EARTH,
VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and
BY HIM [Jesus] ALL THINGS CONSIST.
~Collosians 1.13-17

AND AGAIN:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. . .He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
~John 1.1-3, 10

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Then this someone continued some more based on what they were already misinformed about:
It is the Seed, promised to Abraham, not seeds, but The Seed Jesus Christ.
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So this will be clarified as to what is correct as well, as that statement is not correct either
--as if the promise were even to Abraham--
for the scriptures state:

For THE PROMISE,
that he should be the heir of the world,
WAS NOT TO ABRAHAM,
or to his seed through the law,
but through the righteousness of faith. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
~Romans 4.13-16

=========================================================== Then this person finalizes their first top statements on their post with:
Which was a mystery to Abraham.
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g:
Now the former said things being proven false and rubbish, that finalizing statement is more of a lie than all the former statements combined. Here is what the scriptures state IN CONCLUSION PROVING ALL THESE COMMENTS UNBIBLICAL and thus demonic doctrines.

Please read Jesus conversation when He came AGAINST THE RELIGIOUS ORTHODOX:

Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM REJOICED TO SEE MY DAY AND HE SAW IT AND WAS GLAD.
[in contrast to a certain somebody's final statement which if true, was supposedly such "a mystery to Abraham."]

this Bible narrative continues:
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
[Jesus preached the gospel to Abraham]
John 8.52-58


THEREFORE PAUL COMMENTS
(and this CURRENTLY summarizes proof against all those words):
And the scripture, foreseeing that
GOD would justify the heathen through faith,
PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL UNTO ABRAHAM, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. . .Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
. . . That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. . .
. . . But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. . .And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3.8, 13-14, 22, 29

Only Jesus was promised the promise of seed, as in one seed-->(both yachid and echad).

This promise whosoever believes--upon and into Jesus Christ--becomes heir to: both physically and spiritually, and even our living interactions--(=soul)-- that result from this INSEPERABILITY.

Avraham Avinu is only the heir to this promise, even as all who trust and obey Jesus Christ are children of the same.

TO JESUS WAS THE PROMISE PROMISED.
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TO THIS CERTAIN SOMEONE:
Somebody needs to repent of believing and trusting, then proclaiming things that are not from God.
(SEE JAMES 3)

A little advice, if you will recieve it?
Trust in God and His word to the exclusion of everything else.


AGAPE AGAPEO KAI CHARIS,

gregg


edited: for minor confusing errors

Then the Mystery of Christ in you the Hope of Glory is out and Putting of Abraham above all is in?

Ro 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Ro 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

Col 4:3 Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

If this mystery was hid in God, until it was revealed to the saints Paul revealed it to by the Holy Spirit, how could Abraham know that by the Work of the Cross, Christ would be put in the believer and man's new life, Born Again to be able to even see the things of the KIngdom????

Our promise is heavenly places where we already dwell in Christ. God was not called Heavenly Father until Jesus began calling Him, Heavenly Father. This is our promise. I Go to prepare a place for you, if it were not so I would tell you. This is our promised land. The New Jerusalem our Fathers House where the sons' of God will be with Him forever.

1 Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Heb 3:1 ¶ Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Heb 3:2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
Heb 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
Heb 3:5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Where is our calling and our promised House?

It is not Abrahams our Moses etc. but Christ as a son over His own House, whose house we are.

In Christ, in the heavenlys already seated with Him, waiting for the glorious destruction of the flesh and blood and the new resurrection body of flesh and bone as the Body of Christ. We then will be heavenly complete in our New House prepared by our precious Lord and fellow heir of the Kingdom of God our Heavenly Fathers House where we will live forever.

In Christ: Phillip

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"Christ in you the Hope of Glory" "The life I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God."

Phillip,

It is really wondered sometimes how things come up not relative to the emphasis of discussion come up (but, then is like the pot calling the kettle black.

The post you are commenting on (mine) hardly says in the final statement what you are assuming in your first statement in the above post from you.

Here is the final statement in direct reference to your comments that are far from Biblically sound:

"TO JESUS WAS THE PROMISE PROMISED."

Then you write in response:
"Then the Mystery of Christ in you the Hope of Glory is out and Putting of Abraham above all is in."

How you get that (sarcastic idea) out of anything that bubbled up towards all our own benefit, especially yours, with that all caps emphasized conclusion just does not make any sense at all.


It's kind of like Robert getting all bent out of shape over the fact that nowhere in the Bible does God say His spirit is God, blaming JudaISM for heresy against RomanISM. . .but that still is not the point of that thread.

Oh, it's full well understood that trinitarianISM was invented
--and though three lefts do make a right, two wrongs do not--
to avert three major heresies, nay four.

Still the purpose of the gospels is not to establish divinity of the spirit of the holy One of Israel.

The purpose of the Gospels is to prove the divinity of Jesus (John 20.31), whom the Father made both Lord and Christ, before the earth was laid on it foundation.
(comment: That foundation is made out of nothing at all)

You seem to be keeping on with the notion that Jesus has not all the time been "God's annointed/God's annointing" (="Christ").



You are still supposed to repent.
Change your mind, and convert your thoughts into conformity with what scripture does state.

I agree with the scriptures you quote which only emphasises the main point of them all:

TO JESUS WAS THE PROMISE PROMISED.
not Abraham.


Shalom,

gregg

"TO JESUS WAS THE PROMISE PROMISED."

"TO JESUS WAS THE PROMISE PROMISED."

And we know that He is the promise promised.

"Christ in you the hope of Glory."

This is our perfection. I strive according to His working in me, these are the only works that count, which He works in us.

Colossians 1:27-29 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

In Christ: Phillip

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"Christ in you the Hope of Glory" "The life I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God."

Phillip wrote:


"Our promise is heavenly places where we already dwell in Christ. God was not called Heavenly Father until Jesus began calling Him, Heavenly Father. This is our promise. I Go to prepare a place for you, if it were not so I would tell you. This is our promised land. The New Jerusalem our Fathers House where the sons' of God will be with Him forever."


Paul never taught this....


1Cr 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.


But like Abraham we who are in Christ should have this hope....


Hbr 11:16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly [country]. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

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Jer 15:16 Your words were found, and I ate them, And Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart; For I am called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts.

Quote:

"""Paul never taught this...."""



Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Jesus taught it and Paul confirmed it.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Wisdom of God:

Ephesians 3:11-21 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory. For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

The Power that worketh in us, to fulfill the Word of God:

Colossians 1:25-29 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Is Christ in you?

Phillip

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"Christ in you the Hope of Glory" "The life I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God."

Phillip wrote:

"Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Jesus taught it and Paul confirmed it."



Yes Jesus and Paul taught of the resurrection to come...



In terms of all the other verses that you have posted, unless you have the faith demonstrated in Abraham, you will not have Christ. The reason Paul wrote all of his letters was to correct those who did not live in the same way Abraham lived.

We know that after all of Paul's work in Ephesus, we are told this...



Rev 2:4 "Nevertheless I have [this] against you, that you have left your first love.

Rev 2:5 "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place--unless you repent.

Rev 2:7 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God." '


How could they have fallen? Was it Christ who was unfaithful?

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Jer 15:16 Your words were found, and I ate them, And Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart; For I am called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts.

Rom 10:13 For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved." [fn]

In Genesis 12 and 13 we are told that Abraham called on the name of the Lord repeatedly. Abraham was unlike those who the Lord rejected in this section of Scripture...


Zep 1:6 Those who have turned back from [following] the LORD, And have not sought the LORD, nor inquired of Him."

Zep 1:12 "And it shall come to pass at that time [That] I will search Jerusalem with lamps, And punish the men Who are settled in complacency, [fn] Who say in their heart, 'The LORD will not do good, Nor will He do evil.'


Because of God's grace, Abraham began to "inquire" of the Lord repeatedly. The substance of faith that brings salvation is just the opposite of what the verse in Zep 1:6 testifies.

Many today teach that all one has to do is say one prayer and they are saved...but is this teaching according to Scripture or man?

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Jer 15:16 Your words were found, and I ate them, And Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart; For I am called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts.

This is the reason Paul wrote all his letters was to reveal the mystery Jesus Christ had given him.

Ephesians 3:8-9 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

What is the fellowship of the mystery? That believers have Christ born again in them, and they are new creatures.

Paul preached to glorify Jesus Christ not Abraham.

Abraham did not have the mystery, Moses did not have the mystery, David did not have the mystery. Paul was the first one to be given the mystery of "Christ in you the hope of Glory", that was his ministry.

Colossians 1:25-29 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

The faith of Abraham, does not hold a candle to the Faith of Jesus Christ, which is the "but by the faith of Jesus Christ", "Justified by the faith of Christ", by which I now live in the flesh.

Galatians 2:16-21 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Let us not go back into bondage. Galatians 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Ga 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Ga 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Ga 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Ga 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Christ in you will set you free and if He set us free we are free indeed.

In Christ: Phillip

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"Christ in you the Hope of Glory" "The life I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God."