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by the fruit they bear, and the love of Christ that is shown one toward a another, that is to the brethren, is he displaying his love for the church body as a whole? for the brethren in loving kindness?



No doubt, that is they way I could tell among the people with which I have a relationship, in my church, family, etc. I would have a life with these people, and so, I would have opportunity to see these things.

And, just for the record, I never said I thought Beck was a believer.


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I have no judgement for Mr. Beck, I can only state what I have heard him speak. He appears to be fixated on president Obama being a muslim instead of getting behind the President with Hot prayer!



See, when you start getting into criteria, such as that, then you open up a can of worms. I have heard many preachers, and yes many on this site, who seem to be fixated on things other than the Gospel. I know many believers that are completely up in arms over the "mosque" going in near ground zero. Should we judge them based upon their "fixations". In the past, many preachers were fixated upon the homosexual agenda, or communism, many are still fixated upon Islam invading America.

If we had opportunity to talk to Beck? What would you say to him?

 2010/8/31 15:34









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Unfortunately this line of thinking shows the utter lack of discernment that is prevalent in the body of Christ today. I dare say that if Glenn Beck was a Muslim calling America back to God this conversation wouldn't even be happening. Somehow we have decided that we can get along with another man's Jesus even if it's a different one than the one proclaimed by Paul.

Hebrews 1:1, which has already been referenced, clearly states that God has spoken all He has to say to us through HIS SON JESUS.

Why is the Body of Christ so bored with the Word of God? Why do we need to run to hear prophets or celebrity talk show hosts like Glenn Beck bring us a word?

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Default.aspx?id=1141100

Because there is a famine in the land of the Word of God.

God help us!

 2010/8/31 19:41
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I dare say that if Glenn Beck was a Muslim calling America back to God this conversation wouldn't even be happening.



To me there is no fundamental difference between Beck and a Muslim and a follower of Zoroaster. Again, my argument is: Beck is a type of Cyrus. When you reflect upon who Cyrus was, I say if God could use the pagan persian King Cyrus to speak to the Jews, then he can use Beck to speak to us.

So far in this thread, all the people who I've seen disagree with my thesis (which may be wrong), have totally dodged who Cyrus was.

My thesis is Beck is a type of Cyrus.


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I didn't dodge Cyrus. Hebrews 1:1 supersedes him. You yourself acknowledge that you may be wrong. What if you are? Can you say FOR SURE say that God is speaking through Beck they way he spoke through Cyrus? Of course not! Why? Because your thesis is based on your opinion and not the inspired Scriptures. We should stick to the words of Jesus and not the words of a celebrity talk show host who has not been born again of the Spirit of God.

 2010/8/31 19:58









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By the way. Have you read the account of King Cyrus?

In 2 Chronicles 32:23 it says...

23 "This is what Cyrus king of Persia says:" 'The LORD, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth and he has appointed me to build a temple for him at Jerusalem in Judah. Anyone of his people among you—may the LORD his God be with him, and let him go up.'

He isn't vague about what God he is speaking of. He says the Lord God of heaven and he uses the name LORD, which means Yahweh.

This is much different then Beck's "any god you choose" philosophy.

 2010/8/31 20:12
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I didn't dodge Cyrus. Hebrews 1:1 supersedes him.



Well, interpreting Hebrews 1:1 to mean that God doesn't speak through other people anymore isn't good exegesis. Because a lot of people have come after Jesus Christ was crucified and risen that God has spoken through. I.e. The author of Hebrews.

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Can you say FOR SURE say that God is speaking through Beck they way he spoke through Cyrus? Of course not! Why? Because your thesis is based on your opinion and not the inspired Scriptures.



I cannot say for sure. I could be wrong. But, I think there is a strong parallel. Yes, that is simply my opinion. It is not a thus saith the Lord.


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Have you read the account of King Cyrus?



Yes I have. And Beck is saying the God of heaven has told him to say the things he's said. This is no different than Cyrus... who by the way... was a pagan.


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Beck is a mormon, so that prolly qualifies him moreso than most.

(this thread has not been kept up with, as mom talks about him all the time. So if this was already mentioned, sorry,)

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You dodged the fact that Cyrus specifically referenced Lord, also known as Yahweh the One True God. In the text he is speaking to the children of Israel who are following Yahweh.

Many religions claim to pray to the god(s) of heaven. It can be a generic term whereas Yahweh cannot.

Beck left it open to anyone's interpretation of who God is including, Jews & Muslims.

For further reading:

http://www.biblicalintegrity.org/blog/2010/08/31/glenn-becks-black-robed-regiment/

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=6439

 2010/8/31 20:36









 dear brother Chris (or Chrrrriss)

dear friend, how are you?

i'm making my way up this thread, and i felt stirred to respond to you.

Even though we sometimes disagree on policy, i like your mind. (and i guarantee too, if we ever had the opportunity to face to face converse, we'd have a vibrant conversation, with laughs, and bon hommie)

two things you wrote touched me:

"Of course, there are some good and nice people here on SermonIndex who spent quite a bit of effort doing the same thing with President Bush -- even to the point of packaging harsh criticism in form of "words" from God that even openly questioned the sincerity of his claim to be a Christian (and ironically, right or wrong, remain silent during this current administration). "

i felt you might have been referencing my vocal opposition to Iraq 2003. as we know each other, i was raised up in the military, my background in intel, i thought then, as i do now it was a strategic blunder of the first rank, but thats another conversation. i only bring it up, beacsue i had a change of heart, regarding President Bush in 2007, and it was my then 12 year old son that engendered it.

He's a very unusually precocious brilliant young man, and that's not just father bragging, its fact. And the way i raise him, is that i encourage him to OWN his worldview, to be free to express this worldview, and our discussions sometimes last from 2 to 6 hours, these discussions are one of my pure joys.

But his brilliance is a two edge sword, because teachers don't get him, and they can be cruel, and he has suffered greatly at the hand of them. He will take orthodoxy head on, and dispute with them and for that he is sanctioned. (which makes my anger know no bounds, as i feel they want to stifle a fine mind)

and one day, late 2007, he said to me, "I like President Bush". I didnt counter him with wrath...oh no, i wanted to explore his thesis, and asked, "please tell me why", and this lad said, "everybodies saying how evil and bad he is, but he lets it all roll of his back, and just smiles"

and at that moment, i began to love George Bush. because i felt my son identified with the President, meaning that every teacher was hammering this dear sweet precocious young man, and he just always let it roll off his back, he kept smiling and let it roll, and so was President Bush.

i told my son, "I see your point, and you speak wise, its time to examine my own heart on him." President Bush loves his ranch, i love ranches and farms. President Bush loves baseball, i love baseball. I'm sure the President loves a nice steak on the grill, i do too. AT THAT MOMENT, i began to see him as a MAN, another brother in Christ, and the Lord spoke into my heart, "neil, stop speaking against the President, he's doing the best he can, with the hand he's been dealt"....and i said, "YES LORD"..and never spoke or wrote an ill word against President Bush.

in fact, i would love to be able to go to Crawford, Texas, share a steak, and then go watch the Rangers play, that would be joy. I know he's famous, but i'm "famous" too, believe it or not. i do love President Bush, and it was my son that led me there.

as far as President Obama, forgive me for saying this, but i have great affection for him, because i knew him as Senator. In 2006, i knew the democratic machine was going to push him to run, because in 2005, i spoke with david Axelrod, and said to him, i felt the Senator would make an excellent candidate in the 08 election cycle, he just smiled enigmatically and said, "that might be", but as time went byin 2006, i felt otherwise, i began to fear for him, that it was TOO EARLY and the Clinton machine would just tear him apart. a journalist friend knew my stance, and invited me to a book signing, that Senator Obama was going to be at, so i could say what i had to say.

Friends that know me, know i always run15 minutes late. and i did that day. as i pulled up in front of the BillyGoat (cheezeborga cheezborga!) i saw the Senator exiting, alone, rolled down the window, and said "Senator, how are you?"...walked over, said "fine neil, how are you"..plesantries, and it wasnt the setting, in the street to say what i had to say, so i said, "well God bless you Senator"...."God bless you too neil". last time i saw him. Now i doubt my pitiful entreaty would have made a difference, but i can say this, i believe with my whole heart, that in HIS secret heart, the place where only we and the Lord go, he's regretting ever having run and won.

Saints, believe me when i tell you, he's not evil, he's not a "muslim", he's not a "socialist". He isjust a man seduced with the lure of the Presidency, and that lure is very very hard to resist.

I'm disappointed in him, because though i am no left wing dove, we should NOT be involved in any war we cannot win, nor a war that is NOT directly tied to the security of this nation. One may argue that, but many empires have crashed upon the shoals of Afghanistan. other policy issues i have no stomach to debate, so allow me to leave it at that.

the other thing you wrote brings me to tears:
"Before I was born, there was an unsaved man and woman who believe abortion was wrong...and urged my mother to not have an abortion (which my biological father was insisting upon). They convinced my mother -- and I am alive today."

Chris, i'm so GLAD you are alive too. Abortion is horrible terrible sin, but i thank God you're alive.

and as i've said to a few saints around here, i would love the day, we can actually meet face to face, break bread, speak about Jesus, have fellowship and have a few laughs.

that would be joy.

i love you dear brother, neil



 2010/8/31 20:37





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