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yea.... well I try and see the glass half full.

 2010/1/6 11:50









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"yea.... well I try and see the glass half full" thingsabove

Understood. That's why I used the word 'perspective'.

 2010/1/6 11:54
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 A Liberal's View of Brit Hume

MSNBC's Shuster: Brit Hume 'Denigrated' Christianity with Tiger Woods Comment
By: Kyle Drennen
January 04, 2010 16:48 ET



During the 3PM ET hour of live coverage on MSNBC, anchor David Shuster claimed that Fox News political analyst Brit Hume "denigrated Christianity" when suggesting that scandal-ridden golfer Tiger Woods convert to the faith.

Shuster made the comments while discussing the issue with MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan, asking: "Doesn’t it also denigrate Christianity when you do that on a Sunday political talk show? This isn’t church, this isn’t some sort of holy setting, this is a political talk show....Doesn’t that minimize the significance of Christianity, when you bring a discussion of Christianity into a conversation about politics?"

Buchanan replied: "He’s not denigrating Christianity....A lot of us feel that there ought to be more discussion of religion in politics and religious beliefs and what’s moral and right and wrong." Shuster pressed him: "And you don’t think this diminishes Christianity in any way?" Buchanan shot back: "What do you think, the religion’s dropped a peg or two now?" Shuster sarcastically responded: "I do think it diminishes the discussion of Christianity....This wasn’t the ‘700 Club,’ this wasn’t ‘Theocracy Today.’"

Shuster’s fellow anchor, Tamron Hall, not only attacked Hume, but Christianity as well as she remarked to Buchanan: "Pat, do we need to run down the list, just in the past year, of so-called Christian politicians who’ve been accused, or in many case flat-out had to admit because they were backed up against the wall, that they had affairs and other discretions?....is it just not good advice to do something like this, whether you’re Brit Hume or anyone, to hide behind a religion that certainly can be thrown right back at you."

Shuster later concluded the discussion by proclaiming: "...people turn to TV to get informed opinions about politics and not uninformed opinions about religion." Hall added: "David, we can skip church for the next two months after that segment."

Here is a transcript of the exchange:


SHUSTER: That comment has prompted a firestorm of criticism. And here to discuss the latest remarkable turn in our nation’s discussion about Tiger Woods, Pat Buchanan is an MSNBC political analyst, two time former candidate for president. Pat, is it ever, ever a wise idea for a political analyst to essentially anoint themselves somebody’s spiritual adviser, denigrate that person’s religion, and do so on a Sunday political talk show?

PAT BUCHANAN: Well, I’m a – consider myself a friend of Brit Hume and I think he was being candid and honest. And I don’t know what the Buddhist religion is, but there’s no doubt that Christianity is a religion of mercy and forgiveness and it’s conditional, of course, upon people altering their life and being sorry for what they’ve done. And I’m not a spiritual adviser to Tiger Woods, but-

SHUSTER: But would you ever volunteer that without being asked, I mean, it just seems-

BUCHANAN: No, well, it’s not done, quite frankly, religion in that terms isn’t really discussed. But I don’t – I’m not bothered by Brit Hume doing that. I think he means well, I just heard that for the first time, basically, I’ve read the transcript, and he was just sort of giving some kind of personal – his personal thoughts on it. I don’t really have a problem with Brit doing that, quite frankly.

TAMRON HALL: Pat, do we need to run down the list, just in the past year, of so-called Christian politicians who’ve been accused, or in many case flat-out had to admit because they were backed up against the wall, that they had affairs and other discretions? I mean, to the heart of what David is saying, if this is just about religion, all are flawed. Isn’t that what the Christian Bible says?

BUCHANAN: Well sure, all are flawed and all have failings, there’s no doubt about it. And I don’t think Brit was saying-

HALL: ‘And Judge not lest ye be judged.’ I mean, I can roll them all down, but is it just not good advice to do something like this, whether you’re Brit Hume or anyone, to hide behind a religion that certainly can be thrown right back at you.

BUCHANAN: Well first – well, I don’t think he was saying hide behind it. And I don’t think he was saying all Christians are not flawed and no Christian sins. I think what he was saying is religion is a – I mean, Christianity is a religion of mercy and forgiveness but it is not unconditional, things are required-

SHUSTER: But Pat, he was denigrating Buddhism in the process. And people who are Buddhist say that’s simply not true. I mean, look, here’s a statement from somebody who’s a Buddhist-

BUCHANAN: There are not a lot of Buddhists watching Fox, maybe.

SHUSTER: Right, well that may be true, but here’s the reaction from one of the Buddhist bloggers today. ‘Could Hume get away with saying something like this about Jewish people or the Muslim faith? You betcha he couldn’t. Why should he be able to skate away Scott free when speaking about Buddhists?’

BUCHANAN: I don’t agree. Let me say, suppose you said certain things about the Muslim faith and saying that it tends to be, in a lot of areas, very intolerant of other Christ – of other religions. And it does. I don’t know the Buddhist faith, as I said, but I think this is Brit Hume’s view of it. I don’t know if he’s right or wrong about it. The Shinto religion’s a little tough on guys that had their failings, as you know, in Japan, in places like that.

SHUSTER: But why volunteer this? Why go there? Why – I mean, look, we all respect Brit’s view, the faith works for him, it work’s for you, my faith works for me. But why go on a political show and anoint yourself the adviser to a celebrity in trouble and say ‘my faith is the right one, his is a failure for him’?

BUCHANAN: Because I think that’s his view. And do we really want political correctness or do you want Brit Hume to tell, when you ask him, what he thinks?

SHUSTER: Right, but-

BUCHANAN: He doesn’t think Buddhism-

SHUSTER: But doesn’t it also denigrate Christianity when you do that on a Sunday political talk show. This isn’t church, this isn’t some sort of holy setting, this is a political talk show.

BUCHANAN: He’s not denigrating Christianity. He’s saying it’s a religion-

SHUSTER: By talking about it on a Sunday political talk show. Doesn’t that minimize the significance of Christianity, when you bring a discussion of Christianity into a conversation about politics?

BUCHANAN: A lot of us feel that there ought to be more discussion of religion in politics and religious beliefs and what’s moral and right and wrong.

SHUSTER: And you don’t think this diminishes Christianity in any way?

BUCHANAN: No.

SHUSTER: Wow. Okay.

BUCHANAN: What do you think, the religion’s dropped a peg or two now?

SHUSTER: No.

BUCHANAN: Because of a comment-

SHUSTER: I do think it diminishes the discussion of Christianity. My Christian friends have said as much, that it diminishes the discussion of Christianity and faith when you have a conversation out-of-the-blue on a political talk show. This wasn’t the ‘700 Club,’ this wasn’t ‘Theocracy Today.’


—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.



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Mike

 2010/1/6 12:00Profile









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I fear my remark about the "brilliant minds" in the media was misunderstood.

I was using sarcasm. There is nothing brilliant about Keith Olberman.

Krispy

 2010/1/6 12:05









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"Shuster’s fellow anchor, Tamron Hall, not only attacked Hume, but Christianity as well as she remarked to Buchanan: "Pat, do we need to run down the list, just in the past year, of so-called Christian politicians who’ve been accused, or in many case flat-out had to admit because they were backed up against the wall, that they had affairs and other discretions?....is it just not good advice to do something like this, whether you’re Brit Hume or anyone, to hide behind a religion that certainly can be thrown right back at you." "

This demonstrates the point I was trying to make. The so called church has provided this argument for the unsaved. What else do you expect the unsaved to go after on this?? Those who claim to be Christian but walk in immorality or in their gross prosperity are doing Brit Hume a huge disfavor. Listen, we can blame the unsaved all we want for this stuff but yet again it's a refusal to take on our own responsibility that hinders this situation. Not Brit Hume, not David Schuster... 'the church'. The Babylonian world is still in church, and God has exposed many who simply honor Him with their lips. Some of this reaction is not about Brit Hume but about the glaring hypocrisy of a church that still wants to point fingers at everyone else while their hand is in the compromising cookie jar. I believe Brit Hume is a stand up guy, I like him, but he's not being seen as Brite Hume "a man of Christ with a heart for the lost" he's being seen as Brit Hume the man who represents all that I described above.

 2010/1/6 12:29









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I'll refrain from the Olberman comment. I think Keith, just as Tiger, needs our prayers. Is our battle with flesh and blood??

James 3:09-16 (New International Version)

9With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. 10Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. 11Can both fresh water and salt[a] water flow from the same spring? 12My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

We can point fingers, blame, chastise with sarcasm etc... We can also pray. James said that we can't do both. I will also say that this is probably one of the most compromised scripture by brethren and I'll include myself right there with them. At some point we have to cut the bait of 'banter' and 'conjecture and just fish. What is our highest obligation here??

 2010/1/6 12:36
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Hi Frank...

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Rupart Murdoch, owner of Fox News is a thououghly disreputable character. His biggest generator of income, prior to purchasing Fox News was "The Sun," newspaper, and I use the word newspaper very lighty. It is a poronograhic rag that is the best selling daily in Britian. Every day they have a different topless girl, commonly known in Britain as the "Page three girs." [b]It is a filthy rag and reflects the man.[/b]


I didn't know that about [i]The Sun[/i]. I have read articles that were linked from other websites and emails, but I have never read that particular newspaper. It almost sounds a lot like many American newspapers and their advertisements of underwear (or worse). Of course, this "reflection" may be fleshly at best, since we don't know the extent of control over that Murdoch had over that particular paper. For instance, News Corporation also owns [i]The Wall Street Journal[/i], but the existing editors maintain control of the paper itself. While this would still reflect on the man himself (as the overall corporate leader), it is possible that the idea was not his or that the magazine exerts some sort of "creative independence" (which is a concept of local papers owned by larger media conglomerates in the United States).
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ts all very sad and is an indication of the people who defend this that their philosophy overides their Christianity, the world , through Fox News, has truly invaded much of the church.


I'm not sure who this judgment was directed to or what it was in regard. I have known many people who watch FoxNews who are NOT given over to any sort of philosophy. To most Christians that I know who watch that channel, they merely see it as yet another secular "news source" and view it with the same skepticism as any of the other newspapers or news programs. Perhaps it would be better to have said the same thing about news sources altogether (in general). I doubt that it is as much about such philosophy "invading" the Church as it is about people opening the window (of the soul) and allowing it in. Of course, the same is true of gossip, contempt and other vices as well.

As for the purpose of the thread: I didn't see Brit Hume make those comments (because I have seldom watched FoxNews), but I am thankful for what he said as included in the initial post.


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 2010/1/6 12:59Profile









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ccrider writes.......

"The so called church has provided this argument for the unsaved. What else do you expect the unsaved to go after on this?? Those who claim to be Christian but walk in immorality or in their gross prosperity are doing Brit Hume a huge disfavor. Listen, we can blame the unsaved all we want for this stuff but yet again it's a refusal to take on our own responsibility that hinders this situation. Not Brit Hume, not David Schuster... 'the church'. The Babylonian world is still in church, and God has exposed many who simply honor Him with their lips. "

Amen brother, you have hit the nail on the head. Perhaps this defence of Fox News is a perfect example of the church mixing with the world. And I can hear the comments in reply, "yes but our worldy station is better than their worldy station." My My, is this what it has come to? It does not seem to bother most people that Rupurt Murdoch makes most of his money from a pornographic rag, this is simply overlooked. Or that most of the female tv anchors on Fox are blonde and dress very provocatively.

I have a pastor friend who could testify that half of his church watch this channel for endless hours, but he cannot get them into a prayer meeting for five minutes. Its all very sad. As if we needed more proof, but the world has cetainly invaded the church. And the world cannot tell us apart from them :( ............brother Frank

 2010/1/6 13:01
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Hi Frank...

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Perhaps this defence of Fox News is a perfect example of the church mixing with the world.



Maybe I missed something: Who is defending Fox News?


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 2010/1/6 13:07Profile









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"Perhaps this defence of Fox News is a perfect example of the church mixing with the world" appolous

Hi appolous. My statement about the church was neutral in that regard. My statement was simply a rebuke of the church itself... however it may or may not be 'mixed'. I won't defend or support any secular news outlet. I haven't watched the news for over a year now. There are plenty of filthy rags to go around in this country... filth doesn't discriminate over ideology or biased leanings.

 2010/1/6 13:12





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