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All I can say is: you can't use Paul's writings to justify Paul.

All I have sown are, I believe, seeds of truth, but I guess I came to the wrong place. Farewell, my friends. Don't worry, I won't come back.

Let me leave you some words from James:

13Who among you is wise and understanding? (Q)Let him show by his (R)good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.
14But if you have bitter (S)jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against (T)the truth.

15This wisdom is not that which comes down (U)from above, but is (V)earthly, (W)natural, (X)demonic.

16For where (Y)jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing.

17But the wisdom (Z)from above is first (AA)pure, then (AB)peaceable, (AC)gentle, reasonable, (AD)full of mercy and good fruits, (AE)unwavering, without (AF)hypocrisy.

 2009/11/8 22:22
Leo_Grace
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Good bye.

 2009/11/8 22:46Profile
Zion_awaken
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That is so true truefaithsav!

 2009/11/8 23:54Profile
IWantAnguish
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Once the persecution begins, we'll see who the true believers are.

The Christians in China do not have the time to come up with all these erroneous thoughts and doctrines...

They're too busy depending on God for their lives, because of their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.


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 2009/11/9 1:28Profile









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Jesus taught that we must repent and that we should keep His commandments, yet many interpret Paul as to teach that we do not need to repent but only believe, and that the moral law has been done away with. Any interpretation of Paul that is at odds with Jesus Christ must be false, because Paul was an Apostle of Jesus Christ! Paul's teachings in no way contradicted the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Paul did teach that we are justified by faith. And true faith is one that worketh by love, one that keeps the commandments. True faith does not exclude repentance but includes it. We are justified by a repentant obedient faith.

Paul did teach that we are free from the law, but he was talking about the Jewish Torah. He was not saying that we are free from the commandments of Jesus Christ, to love God and love our neighbor. Paul actually affirmed our obligation to the law of love many times, by saying we should owe no man anything but love, and that love is the fulfillment of the law.

To interpret Paul as teaching easy believism or antinomianism is to make Paul at odds with Jesus Christ, whom He was actually an Apostle of!

And just as Jesus said only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of God, so also Paul affirmed this by saying that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Paul did not contradict Jesus. Jesus did not contradict Paul. Any view of Jesus that contradicts Paul must be false, and any view of Paul that contradicts Jesus must be false.

 2009/11/9 2:10
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Christ was preaching and teaching the Law of the kingdom of God which Israel was supposed to be living, they could not keep it, He did keep it perfect.

Paul was preaching the Grace of God in the Cross of Christ, now we do the commandments out of Love with the new hearts we have by Christ being in us and by His Spirit and taught by the Holy Spirit this Grace and Love. We love Him and keep his commandments because He first loved us and kept the commandments perfect, that we might have no condemnation before God, and sweet confession when we do fail and Pure Grace cleansing from all unrighteousness.

In the pure Grace of God in Christ Jesus, loving His law in the inward man and killing the flesh all the day long. Renewing our minds to the Mind of Christ by His Spirit and the Father making their abode in us and the Holy Spirit sealed us in this Oneness with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

In the Love and Grace of Christ in us:

Phillip


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Christ was preaching and teaching the Law of the kingdom of God which Israel was supposed to be living, they could not keep it, He did keep it perfect.

Why would Jesus preach it if He knew that they couldn't?
Why would God get angry at man for not doing that which they can not do?
Why would God condemn man for not doing that which they can not do?

 2009/11/10 9:43Profile
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To show man his need of a Savior. Adam and all his seed were living souls, Christ was a quickening spirit. Satan was a killing spirit and the father of lies, which Adam was birthed with when he sinned. That is why we must be born again with the quickening Spirit of Christ or we stay in our father the devil, dead in our trespasses and sins, separated from God, surly dead. That is why our hope of Glory is, "Christ in you", birthed of the Father. Satan out, Christ in. New life in Christ, "New creatures".

In Christ: Phillip


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 2009/11/10 11:52Profile
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Why would God get angry at man for not doing that which they can not do?



For the same reason your bank will get angry at you if you default on your loan and don't pay them back. Even if you have no income, you are in debt and owe them just the same. But with God, we are in so much debt that there is no hope of repaying Him. We are entirely dependent upon God showing us mercy in order for our debts to be satisfied. In Matthew 18, we read about this very thing. We read of a man who owed his master 10,000 talents. 1 talent was equal to 15 years wages, and thus, this man owed an impossible amount of debt to ever hope to pay off. But he owed it just the same. But the master had mercy on him, and forgave him.

God does demand what is impossible for us to ever pay back. Which is why we need Jesus Christ to release us from our debt. If we could ever pay back the debt ourself, Jesus Christ death would be in vain.

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KingJimmy wrote:
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Why would God get angry at man for not doing that which they can not do?

For the same reason your bank will get angry at you if you default on your loan and don't pay them back.

defaulting on a loan is not a necessity, it is not inevitable.
Therefore, it isn't the same reason.

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But with God, we are in so much debt that there is no hope of repaying Him.

Yes, but we put ourselves in debt by choice.

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God does demand what is impossible for us to ever pay back.

Yes, but we are at fault by choice.
We aren't victims of debt.

 2009/11/10 12:38Profile





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