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 David Wilkerson prophecies...

I think I was listening to a Ravenhill message a long time ago.

He quoted a prophecy from Wilkerson of something that was to happen soon. Yet, I am pretty sure it did not happen even 10 years later or so.

I also heard that the Wilkerson received a word from God of the 9/11 attacks. Is this true can you elaborate?

Then I believe recently I think I heard that David received a word from the Lord that we were to store food for something that was going to happen really soon. I don't think anything happened.

So, what should one make of Wilkerson and his prophecies? Are they accurate or inaccurate?

Are they authoritatively accurate?

Are they inaccurate? If so, is it to a level that would discredit Wilkerson and make him whacky or something?

 2009/10/19 19:58Profile
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 Re: David Wilkerson prophecies...

A hot bed issue no doubt. Many see David Wilkerson's "The Vision" as having been pretty accurate. Honestly though, I can't think of anything in recent times that he's nailed down. You seem to get a mixed bag with him. I was contemplating his most recent prediction that a large disaster is imminent, and that we should prepare for it. Granted, he doesn't give any time span for this prediction. Me personally, if it doesn't happen by the years end, then I will personally count it as being missed.

I personally think we should keep a general distance from Wilkerson. He has no doubt been mightily used of the Lord in the past, but, his semi-frequent failed prophecies make me very suspect of him. Granted, many people on this site love him because he preaches a lot of things they like to hear, especially "hard" preaching, but, Paul did warn us in 2 Tim 4 that in the last days we would accumulate false teachers that would tickle their ears.


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Jimmy H

 2009/10/19 20:11Profile
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I would never equate David Wilkerson's preaching with tickling of the ears.
He preaches repentance, Holiness, purity, Righteousness, Christ and Him crusified.
He's no Joel Osteen.

As far as his prophesys, remember this, Jonah preached to Nineva. they repented and God relented. We as a nation have alot of saints who intercede and cry out to God for mercy, so it may make him look like a false prophet if Judgment doesnt fall, and to be honest I pray Judgment doesn't fall. We need mercy, but we do need to be right with God as well.
Give it some time and see what happens, but I think some of the stuff he prophesied is something that will probably take place within the next 3 years, probably due to the economy and the Health care issues. People without jobs and a bad economy equated with Government programs doleing out to illegals make for a bad mixture of feelings and emotions.
My thoughts anyway...


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 2009/10/19 22:18Profile
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I have followed David Wilkerson's ministry for a number of years, and I thank God for him staying on course and preaching the truth when many teachers were being caught up with what was popular in the religious world at the time.

Just because there are prophetic words that David Wilkerson has spoken that have not come to pass as of yet, that doesn't mean that he hasn't heard from the Lord or that they won't come to pass in time.

I have heard prophecies from true prophets of God that had a true word from the Lord, but didn't have the timing exactly right.

When there are prophecies of God that are given concerning judgement, through the prayers and intercession of God's people these judgements can be delayed or even lessened in intensity.

Jesus said that we would know them by their fruits, and David Wilkerson has been a testimony to the Body of Christ as one that fears God and sometimes speaks hard words, but also brings forth many messages of encouragement and comfort to the Body of Christ.

Mike


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 2009/10/19 22:21Profile
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I've found over the years we are too subjective in these things. Whether or not the prophet speaks a hard message, like Wilkerson, or a nice message, like Osteen doesn't really matter. That is not the standard. This is the standard:

Deut 18:15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him. 16 This is according to all that you asked of the LORD your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.' 17 The LORD said to me, 'They have spoken well. 18 'I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 'It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require {it} of him. 20 'But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21 "You may say in your heart, 'How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?' 22 When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Here, Moses establishes the paradigm for the prophetic ministry. It is ultimately a paradigm grounded in him, finding it's ultimate standard and fulfillment in Christ. Wilkerson has a proven spotty record when it comes to the accuracy of his prophecies. That's not to say there is no room for repentance for him. I've personally heard him repent of a word that he admits to having spoken presumptuously. But, I don't believe he has always done this.

If we are going to be a discerning people, let's be a discerning people. This is perhaps the most clear and concise message in all of Scripture on how to judge would-be prophets. This is our standard.


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 2009/10/19 23:13Profile
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 Re: David Wilkerson prophecies...

Remember time is relative. What is "soon" on the timescale of the the world, or even the nation can be years. It's all about context.

If I were to tell you that I'm coming over to your house "soon" when would you expect me to come? You would expect me maybe in an hour or so. The first time you heard this message, did you expect it to be fulfilled in an hour? Why not?

I'm not trying to defend Wilkerson here, I'm just pointing out that [i]context[/i] is important. Besides, unless you've read the prophesy yourself, you cannot say exactly what words were spoken.

Let's take the prophecy where Wilkerson suggests we store up a months worth of food:

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For ten years I have been warning about a thousand fires coming to New York City. It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires — such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago.



If Wilkerson has been warning about this for 10 years, what makes you think that it will happen within a year of [i]you[/i] hearing it? Is it because you are the center of the universe? See how silly this line of thought is?

Soon is not defined by you, but in the context of the history of our nation (since the declaration of independence it's been over 230 years) 10 years is 1/23rd or essentially, "an hour of one day" (1/24th).

But, did indeed Wilkerson say that it was soon?

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Note: I do not know when these things will come to pass, but I know it is not far off. I have unburdened my soul to you. Do with the message as you choose.



Not far off. Again, in the context of a nation, or esp. of human history, 10 years is most definitely "not far off." In fact, I think 20 years is "not far off."

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So, what should one make of Wilkerson and his prophecies? Are they accurate or inaccurate?



What is accurate? Does accurate mean that it will be obvious what is the fulfillment of the prophesies? Does it mean that everybody can agree whether or not they've been fulfilled? Fat chance on that. We have a hard enough time agreeing on whether prophesies in the bible have been fulfilled yet and what was their fulfilling. There are psalms that Christian theologians argue over whether they are messianic or not. See the discussions here on eschatology for a reference, and you'll see many people arguing over whether a prophecy has been fulfilled or not, and how. Do you really expect Wilkerson's prophesies to be more explicit and clear than the prophesies of the old testament prophets or even of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?


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 Re: David Wilkerson prophecies...

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I also heard that the Wilkerson received a word from God of the 9/11 attacks. Is this true can you elaborate?



3 weeks before 9/11, David Wilkerson canceled all the programs, outreaches, ministry meetings of his church and told the congregation something is coming to our city.

We held services every night of the week and just came together for prayer. Sometimes we prayed all night, sometimes we sat in silence. The air was so thick in there.

I remember him saying, "I don't know what this is about but we have a strong visitation from the Holy Spirit and we are commanded to just pray."

Then the world changed in an hour. I was there...take heed to his warnings.


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Leonardo Santana

 2009/10/20 11:23Profile









 Re: David Wilkerson prophecies...

I think we may be a bit petty when we hold a prophetic prediction to a standard that the Lord did not.

When Jesus predicted the fall of Jerusalem, He said; "This generation"...which proved to be about 37 years later when it came to pass, with Titus . He surely knew the exact date, and hour, but did not reveal it.

Agabus predicted a "great dearth"; [ famine] that would come upon all the earth [ in the book of Acts ]....which happened some time later, without a date.


All of the prophecies about the tribulation...[ see Isaiah 24 ], and the monumental book of Revelation are without date. We seem more comfortable with them, rightly so, because they are CANON, the Scripture, yet there are precedents throughout the Bible that definitely are predicted in God's time alone; dare I say MOST of them.


Wilkerson's VISION was published in 1973. I remember reading it, and it was the part about X rated pornography coming right into our living rooms through our TVs, that blew me away. Impossible! ...I thought. It was simply outside of my faith to conceive of such a thing! In those days remember that Elvis himself was forbidden to sway his hips on TV. There was yet a high moral standard for the air waves.



Wilkerson's prophecies are not that vague, either, and he has not failed as a liar in any capacity that I know of. He has spoken of impending judgment, but hundreds and hundreds of men and women have seen similar things coming. The prophecy about storing food was equivocally stated for "his people",[ Times Square church and Affiliates ] and you must remember that New York City is so concentrated and urban, that a slight catastrophe would probably cause widespread panic, and food riots. All food would be gone in 24 hours.


He has not been proven wrong in about 40 years of ministry, and has been proven right. As a watchman, if given a dream or vision or audible word, what is he supposed to do, if the Lord did not give him the exact hour and day. Can it?....I think not.





 2009/10/20 11:31
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It should be noted that Wilkerson once predicted within a set time frame that TBN would be bankrupt by, what I believe was the end of the last decade. TBN is far from it, and we are into 2009. Even the recession has not crushed TBN. If I'm not mistaken, TBN is the largest and wealthiest TV station in all the world.

David Wilkerson:

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NO MORE GOSPEL ON TV BY 1999?

He preached this in the Solomon Church in December of 1994:


"Right now I sense in my spirit that in less than 5 years there will be no more so-called gospel television networks. They will all fall into bankruptcy and absolute ruin."




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Jimmy H

 2009/10/20 12:13Profile









 Re: office of a prophet, or prophet? ideas of the future, sentiments, and the true word of Prophesy.

King Jimmy wrote about Wilkerson...and him missing it about TBN's demise.

"Right now I sense in my spirit..."


This is a far cry from "Thus saith the Lord!"....which he has done. However, I am appreciative that you point this out. Wilkerson is just a man, a common fellow that ought not to be elevated; but this does not negate his visions and prophecies that have come to pass, or as I believe, will.

 2009/10/20 12:32





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