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1. Justin Martyr (c. 100-165) “And that (the prophecy of Isaiah 2:1-4) did come to pass, we can convince you. For twelve men, illiterate and without speaking ability, went out from Jerusalem into the world, and by the power of God they proclaimed to every nation that they were sent by Christ to teach the word of God to everyone. And we, who formerly murdered one another, not only refuse to make war against our enemies, but in order not to lie nor deceive our judges, meet death willingly, confessing Christ.” Apology I, 39



Do you also believe that these words of Justin Martyr are true?

Justin Martyr


"As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly . . . are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Except you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]" (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]).

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CCC123 ...I am not sure what your comments have to do with this particular thread. I do agree that a man has to be born again otherwise he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. And then he has to be baptized in water after laying down his life, but again, what has that to do with this thread? Hopefully you yourself have been born again and then were baptized according to the Word of God, our only infallible guide. Not traditions of men. Please PM me with any further comments as this is someone else's thread and this is another topic. As an ex-Catholic, I would be glad to show you how you may be born again according to Scripture.....Frank

 2009/12/30 15:48
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[i]Here is a testimony of another man, available on Sermonidex. As Frank said, it may be interesting[/i] :)





[b]Stonewall Jackson[/b]

"And I sought for a MAN among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. - Ezek. 22:30.

The future of a nation is directly dependent upon the choices of its men. It is here that the men of America, as a whole, have failed. Like the individual links of a chain, the immoral choices of our men have truly brought this nation into spiritual bondage. Many men are now squandering the zeal and the strength of their youth on the temporal pursuits of sports and money. Our churches are filled with men who will shout the praises of professional athletes and yet are cowards to praise the King of Kings. Hardened and passive, such men are void of Holy Ghost boldness. Yet God, in His mercy, is still determined to use MEN to stand in the gap.

In General "Stonewall Jackson", God found a true man who would stand in the gap. Both strong and tender, the motto of his life was, "Lord what wilt thou have me to do?" As fervent in the field of battle, so was Jackson on his knees in prayer. "He was a man of prayer, accustomed in all he did to ask the divine blessing and guidance. His aid said that he could always tell when a battle was near at hand by seeing the General get up a great many times in the night to pray." General Jackson did not simply pray, he fervently prayed. The following story gives us some insight in the passion of his prayers. It was told the Rev. William Brown, "the truth is sir, that 'old Jack' (Jackson) is crazy. Why, I frequently meet him out in the woods walking back and forth muttering to himself incoherent sentences and gesturing wildly, at such times he seems utterly oblivious of my presence and of everything else."

"A friend was once conversing with Jackson about the difficulty of obeying the scripture injunction, 'pray without ceasing,' and Jackson insisted that we could so accustom ourselves to it, that it could be easily obeyed. When we take our meals there is the grace. When I take a drink of water, I always pause, as my palate receives the refreshment, to lift up my heart to God in thanks and prayer for the water of life. Whenever I drop a letter into the box at the post office I send a petition along with it for God's blessings upon its mission and upon the person to whom it is sent. When I break the seal of a letter just received I stop to pray to God that He may prepare me for its contents and make it a message of good. When I go to my classroom and await the arrangement of the cadets in their places, that is my time to intercede with God for them. And so of every other familiar act of the day." Though a man of superior abilities, Jackson humbly recognized his need for JESUS in everything he did.

As a general in the Confederate Army, "Stonewall Jackson" had a profound influence over his men. It was his holy and prayerful example that contributed to the great revival among the Southern troops. By midsummer of 1863, revival had spread to all the Confederate armies. A chaplain of the 26th Alabama Regiment said that his unit alone averaged 100 converts a week for several weeks. During this same time another chaplain declared that, 'modern history presents no example of an army so nearly converted. A third of all soldiers in the field were men of prayer and members of some fellowship. J. W. Jones suggested that 150,000 conversions took place in Lee's Army alone. It was this revival that no doubt prepared the South for the humiliation that was to follow their eventual defeat, but best of all the revival prepared thousands of young and old alike to meet Christ in eternity. Truly, General Jackson impacted our history through the power of prayer.

What is our greatest need today in our morally fallen nation? We need a tenacious, tender, tearful and Holy Ghost bold army of true MEN! Oh God, make us MEN!



Taken from[url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=2533]here[/url]


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Tell you what brother Chris, you can have brother Jackson and I will take the rest :) ............Frank

 2009/12/30 18:12
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wrong thread, sorry....


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Tell you what brother Chris, you can have brother Jackson and I will take the rest :) ............Frank



Brother, I'd rather have the God that answered his prayers(if we do beleive that it was God that answered them). :)

But I know what you mean :)


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Hello...

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Tell you what brother Chris, you can have brother Jackson and I will take the rest :) ............Frank


Brother, I'd rather have the God that answered his prayers(if we do beleive that it was God that answered them). :)

But I know what you mean :)


Of course, if we are going to make lists, there are plenty of real believers who have served in the military, police or government over the course of time.

I find it interesting that we would want to include a short list of those who embrace a particular view of this matter but forget the rest -- who are just as precious in the sight of God. I know quite a few believers who serve or have served in the military. I suspect that many of them prayed too.


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 Re: Count Nicholas Ludwig von Zinzendorf

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I suspect that many of them prayed too.




Chris, probably one of the most significant persons that we would think of here(on Sermonidex) in regards to prayer is Count Nicholas Ludwig von Zinzendorf. I found a short biography of him written by a Rev John Jackman at a website called zinzendorf.com.

Below is a short excerpt:


"Zinzendorf was born into one of the most noble families of Europe. His father died when he was an infant, and he was raised at Gros Hennersdorf, the castle of his influential Pitetistic grandmother. Stories abound of his deep faith during childhood. As a young man he struggled with his desire to study for the ministry and the expectation that he would fulfill his hereditary role as a Count. As a teenager at Halle Academy, he and several other young nobles formed a secret society, The Order of the Grain of Mustard Seed. The stated purpose of this order was that the members would use their position and influence to spread the Gospel. As an adult, Zinzendorf later reactivated this adolescent society, and many influential leades of Europe ended up joining the group. A few included the King of Denmark, the Archbishop of Canterbury, and the Archbishop of Paris."


I'm sure there are more things about him on Sermonindex.


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HI ChrisJD

"But I know what you mean :)"

Its always good to see where a brother is coming from, see the best in that brother, it shows a lack of contention and exposes the spirit behind the man. God bless you brother ............Frank

 2009/12/30 21:20
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Thanks, Chris...

I will be reading up on Zinzendorf (as I am only slightly familiar with him). I am encouraged that men in government or authority can maintain a relationship with Jesus Christ while in the office or capacity that they serve or exist. I am reminded that backslidden Israel (which had become a secular government) sometimes had kings who turned to the Lord with all of their hearts.

I know that I met several governors and congressmen while attending a couple of National Governor's Association conferences as an undergraduate student (while interning with NASA). I was even able to attend prayer meetings with several of these men. As quick as some believers would be to question the faith of such individuals, I discerned a great deal of sincerity. There were no cameras or members of the press at those prayer meetings. These men prayed when no one else would find out.

Like I said before, I have known many wonderful believers who served in the military. While some might suggest that such an occupation or service is incompatible with faith in Christ, these men did not feel this. Yet I have seen (and felt) fingers pointed from people who claim to avoid contention or "resistance."

This is one of the things that I am praying will be achieved from this thread. We should prayerfully walk before the Lord with a clear conscience. While I don't mind someone sharing their views, I think that we should refrain from proclaiming something as an "undeniable truth" when it is merely a persuasion. In the past, there have been brethren who have reacted with rhetorical violence against those who simply disagree with them (publicly and privately) -- even about an issue like this.

I hope that we can learn, as many have suggested, to "agree to disagree" while still holding one another in great love. "[i]And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins[/i]" (I Peter 4:8).

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