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ZekeO
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I remember going into clubs and just praying in tongues for a couple of hours, and the fruit of that was amazing. In both those clubs they closed down after a couple of months.

There were probably others involved in praying, but it certainly showed me what could happen if I got out there.


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My understanding is that Jesus visits every time they open. This is a very fragile concept of holiness; have you not considered that He who is in us is mightier than he that is in Hooters.


hmm brother Ron, I think some of your ideas are very intresting on spiritual authority perhaps that would make an good edifying thread on spiritual authority particularly on your concept that the whole world is the Lords already, I kinda see things in abit different light but I am very open to your scriptural reasoning on that matter.

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Were you made a new creature the first time you heard the gospel? I know I wasn't. Did you pass from darkness to light the first time you heard? I know I didn't


Well no I woke up the next day after praying with God and believing I have come from death to life. And when I woke up in the morning as I looked blankly at the wall lying down I said to myself "I am still the same? nothing has changed has it?" but then during that day and the months to come I began to realize I had a totally different appetite for living, my affections were above not on earthly things. I witnessed to some of my hoodlum friends but then felt to disassociate with them for a season. I started to go to church and pray and read the bible and I grew in grace greatly. Then months later went back into those questionable situtations to witness and be a light. But by no means hanged out consistenly with my friends who were living in sinful situations and practices.

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Moody once said, 'we are to be the salt of the world'. (not the church. my comment) He went on to say 'no one ever preserved fish by putting the fish into one barrel and the salt into another'. Going into 'all the world' surely includes Hooters.


yes definetly but the salt must be different than the fish. and that marked difference is holiness unto the Lord. If the church loses that then its of non-effect and if salt has lost its saltiness what is it good for? But agreed if a man is called to witness in those situations its definetly needed, but as you said a Christian fellowship church meeting in hooters really isnt the best idea and I think most agree with that point.

So would you and others say that for Christians to be seen walking in Hooters (or a rave or any other sensual sinful place) is an ok thing? even if its for strictly evangelistic purposes?


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I remember going into clubs and just praying in tongues for a couple of hours, and the fruit of that was amazing. In both those clubs they closed down after a couple of months.


WOW brother could you share more details of that experience and how you were led to do that?


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So would you and others say that for Christians to be seen walking in Hooters (or a rave or any other sensual sinful place) is an ok thing? even if its for strictly evangelistic purposes?



To take the line of how it was explained to me, it is okay to go if:

1) The leadership within the church know, it is more the issue of bringing it into the ligtht, that my covering knows what I am doing. So if anyone does see that I am in a questionable place, someone in a plac spiritual authourity knows. Also helpful if they receive any checks. The also now the sheep, and they know that if a person has a problem with porno, going to hooters to evangelise may not be the best thing.

2) If it was area where I knew my way around. Sounds a bit odd, but its like you can handle yourself without feeling that you are fighting a huge battle. Maybe another way to put it, The battle inside you has been won already. I came out of the club scene, I got saved out of that. Now I could walk in there and feel absolutley nothing because, Jesus walked me out of there.

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hmm brother Ron, I think some of your ideas are very intresting on spiritual authority perhaps that would make an good edifying thread on spiritual authority particularly on your concept that the whole world is the Lords already, I kinda see things in abit different light but I am very open to your scriptural reasoning on that matter.


Greg, you are a gent. Are you sure you're not English. Do I interpret 'some of your ideas are very interesting' to mean 'he's a lulu'?;-)

Perspectives are interesting things. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. (Isa 6:3 KJV) When Isaiah heard the seraphim saying this the whole earth was a mess! But on another level, from the heavenly perspective, the whole earth is full of God's glory. Always was, always will be. Elisha's servant discovered that we are not nearly so lonely as we sometimes feel.

I believe Matt 28:19,20 is a great commission rather than a specific command. These are our marching orders; specific battle plans will be given as necessary. In that sense I would regard Hooters as a territory and believe that my commission is to include it in my gaze. I would need a specific word to go, but as Paul prayed for 'open doors' so do I. When one opens I go through it.

My position on Hooters is that I see it as included in the commission. There are no closed countries and no 'no-go' areas for the gospel. I think there is also a valid concept of pre-evangelism. Paget Wilkes was a very able man and quickly picked up the Japenese language. He opened up a mission in Kobe, the the red light district of town. Thousands came to listen. On one occasion a visitor was to preach and Paget W was to interpret. The visitor began.. when God brought the people of Israel out of Egypt... Paget stopped him. He said 'it will take me half and hour to explain who the people of Israel are; another half hour to explain where Egypt is and another to explain why God whanted to bring them out of Israel... you're going to have to start somewhere else.

In pre-evangelism we often have to start 'somewhere else' and the 'somewhere else' is usually where they are! This is what Philip did with the eunoch; this what Paul did in Athens. I would start where I could but I would want to move on to the fact of God, the love of God, the loss of God(sin), the hope of God, and would fill in the details as appropriate. Bible study can be a very effective means of pre-evangelism. I can't think of a single place I wouldn't be prepared to go to talk about God.

I think in your own experience your first calling on the Lord was not your first hearing of Him. How can they call unless they hear, how can they hear unless someone preaches, how can they preach unless they are sent... I would think the Hooters' staff are very much at the beginning to hear stage. If they genuinely respond they will not remain in their darkness.

I am not advocating this as a bright idea for young Christians; I am not suggesting that anyone starts a 'ministry to Hooters'. I am just saying if the door opens it may be because God has opened it, and we ought not to refuse to enter because we are afraid of what might happen to us in there.:-?


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WOW brother could you share more details of that experience and how you were led to do that?



Before I committed my life to the Lord I was running so hard from him, till he got me, the blood hound of heaven. I used to stand in the clubs looking at all the people, lost, and you know the worst part, they didn't know that they were lost. I think more than anything it was that feeling, they know the truth, they know about Jesus, they know what he did at the cross, but it meant nothing to them at all. They just carried on, for tommorrow we die! The reality of their sin, and the saviours great cost meant nothing.:cry:

My heart aches thinking about it now. Thats what probably made me just pray in tongues, and also it it was so loud that it was the only thing I could do that didn't require to much thought.

The one club was one of the usual mixes of music 80's, bit of rock, some dance music and the people were mostly lager heads. It changed its name twice and just died.

The other was a hard music club which specialised in the top end of house, alternate, industrial etc. The one time I went in there, the music so loud that you couldn't talk to anyone, so all you could do was pray. I think I sat there for about three hours.

A couple of months later, they changed its name, did renovations to improve the club, but the people left, the appeal had gone. At the risk of sounding like a spiritual mapper dude, the spiritual atmosphere around those places changed. I must have said something in my communion with God for his righteous government to be established. I think that is the nature of our warfare, the proclamation of the Christ into the atmosphere, it is that thing that changes lives, towns, cities, clubs.


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 Kamikaze Christianity

Beloved, let us always use caution in returning any where near the mud hole from whence we were washed or to the vomit that stands as the remains of our former life. Paul said also that he got under his body and brought it into subjection lest at any time he should become adokimos (rejected, reprobate,etc.). That tells me that he knew his limitations.

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Sounds a bit odd, but its like you can handle yourself without feeling that you are fighting a huge battle.



Be careful. Sometimes we could charge the gates of hell with a water pistol we have so much zeal- but when we are weak and tired we are vulnerable. This is mortal combat. The enemy wants to destroy us! He wants to get us feeling like we can handle something that we can't- and in that false security- he leaps on us with both feet. Make no mistake about it, the enemy has a strategy to destroy us. You may go in to a club a hundred times and go in and not come out on the 101st. The enemy knows that time is on his side. He knows that it is only a matter of time until you 'fall' in that place. He may sow a tiny seed every other week until the day comes when you feel a strange attraction to that place that you did not feel a year ago. Soon you struggle in the night to keep your mind under control. He has you right where he wants you. He has destroyed wiser people than we- he is a master at this. He has seen people like you and I before. He knows how to snare us in our own pride and vanity.

I have never been into "H" restraunts- but if you were to ever see me go in know of assurity I am not in my right mind. So if you can begin to intercede for me in the Holy Ghost- prefferably with groanings that cannot be uttered-- because I am in a serious mess. Don't think for a moment- "he's probably going into that club to witness"- no- I have succumbed to temptation. Please pray!!

There are times as an act of uncommon valor people have been known to risk their lives to save others. In this case we are not talking about our physical well being- we are talking about placing our spirituality in jeopardy. That, to me, exceeds the definition of martyr (martros?). And I know some may say that we ought to serve God even if we would go to hell at the end and all that... but this in reality takes Ten Shekels and a Shirt to a whole other level. What good am I to the kingdom of God if the enemy takes me out? What if I fell in the faith and all those who I could have been ministered to were lost also. God forbid! God forbid!


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Greg, you are a gent. Are you sure you're not English. Do I interpret 'some of your ideas are very interesting' to mean 'he's a lulu'?


hmm I had to consult dictionary.com for that one:
[b]lu·lu[/b] [i]( P ) Pronunciation Key (ll)
n. Slang
A remarkable person, object, or idea.[/i]

Yes I do find some of your thinking remarkable in the sense of I have relly never pondered on them or even looked at it in that light. Perhaps one day we will be able to discuss matters in person over a cup of tea. ;-)

Yes that is very true that Gods glory is in all the world and we cannot escape His presence, where could we flee? But all things belonging to God or under his authority or dominon is another question.

[b]Ephesians 1:20-23[/b] - Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

I hope this question is not to mundane or simple but are all things under his dominon in the here and now? can we say that hooters for instance is Gods territory or the devils? Another problem I have with all of this is are we looking to the physical or spiritual and perhaps both are interlinked quite closely. Did not Jesus say that the kingdom of God is in you? so in a sense Gods territorty becomes hearts of men redeemed to himself. A kingdom of light within, that of course reflects and is a witness to the world. So does the venue it self matter as much as the peoples hearts? im rambling sorry I think I got it from bro Mike. :-P

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My position on Hooters is that I see it as included in the commission. There are no closed countries and no 'no-go' areas for the gospel. I think there is also a valid concept of pre-evangelism.


A hearty amen here brother but I think this thread is bringing out a marked difference between evangelism and fellowship (as in bible study group). I think we touched on this also in an alpha thread, where people were having alpha courses in bars.


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 Re: 3 kingdoms ?

I'll throw this in for thought
Jesus came He embodied the kingdom of God.
Jesus brought heaven like conditions to earth through his ministry.
people in the kingdom of hell experienced the kingdom of heaven through Jesus being the kingdom of God
Healings deliverence provision, etc although heavenly did not bring folk into the kingdom of God...not until the Spirit came at pentecost.
we can be affected touched outwardly by being in this world.We can experience God's love but still not enter into that rest,where the kingdom of God resides.
:-) As we are talking about kingdoms i thought this would add to the flow :-o


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lu·lu ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ll)
n. Slang
A remarkable person, object, or idea.



Your dictionary is a 'gent' too. Over here 'lulu' means someone who is 'one sandwich short of the full pic-nic'.

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I hope this question is not to mundane or simple but are all things under his dominon in the here and now? can we say that hooters for instance is Gods territory or the devils?


This is deeper stuff and you will know I am not a Calvinist by instinct. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. (Col 1:15-17 NASB) The Bible teaches that God did not just wind up the universe and leave it ticking but that He continues to sustain it. That means that all life is sustained by Him, even life which is set in its defiance of all that He wishes.

Pharoah received the necessary energy to defy God from God; so does Satan. God hardening Pharaoh's heart can be translated God 'strengthened his heart'.

Here is a little mystery. The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint. The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house. He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it. Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto. (Isa 44:12-15 KJV)

It is key feature of Israel, in the land, that their rainfall was personally supervised by God. Why would He nourish a tree which had been earmarked for an idol? Sometimes He does not prevent our rebellion but gives us the strength to do what we wanted all along.

I think another factor is that we are often 2 dimensional in our view of events. God causes all things to work to together for those who love God, who are called according to His purpose. We see some 'advance' of the enemy and conclude that it has slipped out of God's control and is now enemy territory. But God 'works all things' with no exclusions.

I am hesitant to explain this further as I don't want to establish a doctrine. I just know, in my spirit, that nothing is ultimately independent; only God is self sufficient. Everything else is energised by God; in Him all things cohere. Even the sex industry with all its damage is in someway only possible because God has not withheld His sustaining hand.

Satan may draw a circle around the world and say 'it is mine'. God draws a larger circle which encloses that circle and Satan himself and says 'it is mine'.


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