Joe,I have taken a portion of your quote above ("This included not knowing the end of the sacrifice He was about to make.")as unscriptural concerning his sacrifice.You have stated that this included that Jesus did not Know the end of the sacrifice He was about to make. Why would you say this when He said that he would be crucified and on the third day rise from the dead. He was not afraid that his sacrifice would not be accepted. He was not afraid that the Father would not raise Him from the dead. He has never been separated from His Father. He knew that the separation was going to come at the cross because of Him bearing the sins of the world but he also knew that the Father would not ultimately forsake Him. He knew that he was condemning our sins in the flesh because he had never sinned. He knew that he was not going to be condemned to hell. He knew what the Father's will was for Him all the time.The only Hell that He went through was coming down here in a sinful world, suffering at hands of sinners, bearing our sins to the cross, and dying a horrible death that we deserved. He did experience the horribleness of sins penalty and a brief moment of separation from His Father but the moment He cried it is finished and gave up His Spirit to His Father the penalty was paid in full. He went to hell with his Father with Him as always and rescued the righteous (made righteous by the blood of His Cross) taking the keys away from Satan. The only reason He went to hell was to take back from Satan what was His in the first place. He has the keys to death, hell, and the grave. The sacrifice was finished on the cross meaning the complete atonement for the sins of the whole world and hell added nothing to our redemption.The will of the Father for Jesus was to be sacrificed on the cross and it was never to be condemned to hell. Being condemned to hell can save no one because it would be separation from God eternally. The preaching of the cross is the power of God to them that believe; not the preaching of being willing to be condemned to hell. We would all be condemned to hell if Jesus had not come to save us. We deserve to be condemned but thank God he didn't come to condemn us but to save us by the work of the cross. Let us take up the cross and follow Him.We could say that he died as a condemned man to hell in our place and even felt what that would be like but he knew what his sacrifice would accomplish in the end and had no doubt that God would raise Him from the dead. Praise His Name!
ChrisJD wrote:Quote:...anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.Bold words from a man that continues to fill pages upon pages with his own words.If you speak for God who could argue with you.But if you have been here speaking for yourself then, well.
...anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
rbanks wrote:Joe,I have taken a portion of your quote above ("This included not knowing the end of the sacrifice He was about to make.")as unscriptural concerning his sacrifice.You have stated that this included that Jesus did not Know the end of the sacrifice He was about to make. Why would you say this when He said that he would be crucified and on the third day rise from the dead. He was not afraid that his sacrifice would not be accepted. He was not afraid that the Father would not raise Him from the dead. He has never been separated from His Father. He knew that the separation was going to come at the cross because of Him bearing the sins of the world but he also knew that the Father would not ultimately forsake Him. He knew that he was condemning our sins in the flesh because he had never sinned. He knew that he was not going to be condemned to hell. He knew what the Father's will was for Him all the time.
rbanks wrote:The only Hell that He went through was coming down here in a sinful world, suffering at hands of sinners, bearing our sins to the cross, and dying a horrible death that we deserved. He did experience the horribleness of sins penalty and a brief moment of separation from His Father but the moment He cried it is finished and gave up His Spirit to His Father the penalty was paid in full. He went to hell with his Father with Him as always and rescued the righteous (made righteous by the blood of His Cross) taking the keys away from Satan. The only reason He went to hell was to take back from Satan what was His in the first place. He has the keys to death, hell, and the grave.
rbanks wrote:The sacrifice was finished on the cross meaning the complete atonement for the sins of the whole world and hell added nothing to our redemption.The will of the Father for Jesus was to be sacrificed on the cross and it was never to be condemned to hell. Being condemned to hell can save no one because it would be separation from God eternally. The preaching of the cross is the power of God to them that believe; not the preaching of being willing to be condemned to hell.
rbanks wrote:We would all be condemned to hell if Jesus had not come to save us. We deserve to be condemned but thank God he didn't come to condemn us but to save us by the work of the cross. Let us take up the cross and follow Him.
rbanks wrote:We could say that he died as a condemned man to hell in our place and even felt what that would be like but he knew what his sacrifice would accomplish in the end and had no doubt that God would raise Him from the dead. Praise His Name!
Hi Joe...Severity of judgment? Brother, I think that enough is enough. I know that you might not agree with what ChrisJD said...but wishing judgment upon Him (or yourself) is quite a bold declaration. You might not like it if it were to happen...and it is certainly not Christ-like. It might be time for this thread to just die. :-(
_________________-ChrisJeremiah 29:11-13<///><"Are the things you're living for worth Christ dying for?" - epitaph of Leonard Ravenhill"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
hmmhmm wrote:So you are sending Christ to the cross with the mindset of "only three more days and I'm done". Doesn’t that sound terribly cheap to you?--------------you will understand by watching these two very short videos posted in another thread.[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30WzomEaDYs]How Jesus' One Death Satisfied Billions of Deaths[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgrWIbuR-mM&feature=channel_page]How Jesus Paid for the Sins of All Mankind in 3 hours[/url]
ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:Hi Joe...Severity of judgment? Brother, I think that enough is enough. I know that you might not agree with what ChrisJD said...but wishing judgment upon Him (or yourself) is quite a bold declaration. You might not like it if it were to happen...and it is certainly not Christ-like. It might be time for this thread to just die. :-(
Hi Joe...Yet that is reflective of the old covenant! We have a covenant where we bless those who curse us...and do good to those who spitefully use us.In this case, you are asking God to severely judge the one who is wrong. In this case, I think that you are wrong...but I wouldn't wish severe judgment on you at all (or upon ChrisJD if he is wrong). Brother, God does not send people to Hell who call upon Him in truth. In addition, we should strive to reflect a I Corinthians chapter 13 type of love. :-)
Old_Joe,
I pray that the Lord Himself judge between us in the fullest severity of His judgment. Are you willing to give that a hearty amen?
_________________The life of man is warfare upon the Earth.Love never fails.
As pointed out above, for the sacrifice to satisfy eternal damnation for men, His human nature could not know, and His divine nature must needs forsake that knowledge for a time to make a COMPLETE sacrifice.
ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:Hi Joe...Yet that is reflective of the old covenant!
ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:We have a covenant where we bless those who curse us...and do good to those who spitefully use us.
ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:In this case, you are asking God to severely judge the one who is wrong. In this case, I think that you are wrong...
ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:but I wouldn't wish severe judgment on you at all (or upon ChrisJD if he is wrong).
ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:Brother, God does not send people to Hell who call upon Him in truth. In addition, we should strive to reflect a I Corinthians chapter 13 type of love. :-)
