Old_Joe wrote:Quote:rbanks wrote:Joe,Jesus has not asked me this question and I see no where in the bible that he has asked anyone else either. Hell was created for the devil and his angels.Joe, I am very concerned about you. You probably don’t care right now anyway but I am having a hard time finding any humility in your writings. Look at what you are writing in all your posts, you seem to be hard with the truth you know and superior to everyone else’s writings. The bible says that we are to speak the truth in Love.Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;I don’t know if you realize the tone of your writings. From your writings it seems like you have been told to leave a church. I hope you the best and I pray you are not carrying any bitterness from your past. I mean no harm by writing this and if I have misread your posts please forgive me.In Christ Love!Looks like I should give out a hint here.Hell was created for the Devil and his angels, but did the Son of God not willingly go there at His Father's command?If there are no other responses, I will explain with my next post.BTW: I forgive you.Old Joe
rbanks wrote:Joe,Jesus has not asked me this question and I see no where in the bible that he has asked anyone else either. Hell was created for the devil and his angels.Joe, I am very concerned about you. You probably don’t care right now anyway but I am having a hard time finding any humility in your writings. Look at what you are writing in all your posts, you seem to be hard with the truth you know and superior to everyone else’s writings. The bible says that we are to speak the truth in Love.Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;I don’t know if you realize the tone of your writings. From your writings it seems like you have been told to leave a church. I hope you the best and I pray you are not carrying any bitterness from your past. I mean no harm by writing this and if I have misread your posts please forgive me.In Christ Love!
Hi Mike :-) I wanted to suggest a few things in relation to this following..."But there is no need for squaring off and being offended over all this at each other ..."But it almost seems as though [b]offense[/b] was a built in conclusion, God forbid [u]even an intention[/u] at the inception of this?
There are different kinds of people that profess to be Christians, and each react differently when prodded in manners outside their beaten paths. It is kind of like the difference between a bell and an old burlap sack. If one takes a stick and strikes a bell, unable to deny itself, it cries out with much loudness about how it was offended; whereas if one strikes a sack, the sack patiently and quietly yields to the blow.Now it is obvious that there are a whole bunch of ringing bells here, but I encourage everyone to take a lesson from the sack and yield to the will of God, come what may.
I did not start this thread see you write down whether you are or aren't willing to deny yourself, because your writing of it most often proves meaningless.
_________________The life of man is warfare upon the Earth.Love never fails.
Joe may i say, sometimes it is good for us to say maybe i was wrong. Maybe my beliefs dont line up with scripture on some point. This is a good realization since then we can adjust to the right belief. And apply it to our life.I just get a very strong feeling from this thread sometimes we so defend and have our excuses just as Adam in the garden had. And in this case all the explonations and all posting has lead to?heresy from your part and discussion that to some has not been edifying.All can be avoided vith humility and learning to say, you may be right and i maybe was wrong.But so often just as Adam we blame someone else, or something else.Not speaking as i have reached the goal, but just sharing something i hope you might consider.God bless youChristian
_________________SermonIndex.net Moderator - Christian JelbringIn the meantime let us re-emphasize that the thing that matters is that no 'truth', 'doctrine', theory or teaching, whether it be good or doubtful, must ever be allowed to become either an end in itself, or a sidetrack. It must never be taken out of the essential context of God's full purpose. - Sparks
My own corrective:
and sets themselves up as isolated iconoclasts? ...
_________________Mike Balog[i]Here I found the benefit of a principle which I invariably adopt, of never pressing upon any human being my sentiments or wishes, without an absolute necessity. If a friend be reduced to the necessity of refusing or complying, he will feel grieved: but if, though with pain to himself, he do anything without being importuned, he has a sweet feeling of love excited by that very act; or, it he refrain from doing what you wish, he feels a love to you for not pressing him against his will.[/i] ~ Charles Simeon
rbanks wrote:Quote Joe"Christ entertained the idea of eternal damnation for himself, the sinless one. When He took on the penalty for sin, he took it willingly as though it was an everlasting penalty. Remember, while on earth, retaining his omniscience Christ forsook knowledge of some things future (Mark 13:32). This included not knowing the end of the sacrifice He was about to make. Though He knew He would be three days in the heart of the earth Matt 12:40, as far as He was concerned at that time, His sacrifice and payment was a dedication to eternal damnation."QuoteThis is plain out right heresy and no where to be found in the glorious gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Old_Joe, are you listening to anything that anyone is saying to you here?It is not persecution to suffer because we are willfully persisting and striving for our own opinions over the corrections of others.
The very willingness of Christ through His human nature to dedicate himself to eternal damnation was taken by the Father as the deed itself.
ChrisJD wrote:Quote:The very willingness of Christ through His human nature to dedicate himself to eternal damnation was taken by the Father as the deed itself."Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [i]him[/i] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [i]his[/i] seed, he shall prolong [i]his[/i] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand."- Isaiah 53:10(KJV)Again, I see no correspondence here between the character and nature of your words and what is written in the Bible, or with the initial question that you appear to be willing to continue to strive over.
...anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
So you are sending Christ to the cross with the mindset of "only three more days and I'm done". Doesn’t that sound terribly cheap to you?--------------you will understand by watching these two very short videos posted in another thread.[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30WzomEaDYs]How Jesus' One Death Satisfied Billions of Deaths[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgrWIbuR-mM&feature=channel_page]How Jesus Paid for the Sins of All Mankind in 3 hours[/url]
