Sister heartsong, I have already gone to God and repented of all my sins and am crucified with Christ. I do not need anybody to deliver me from a generational curse; the cross of Christ is the only deliverance. I must not bring my Lord to an open shame. I must walk in the light in continual fellowship and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses me from all sin.I will not ask man to do something only God can do. I will not be condemned by other people’s emotions. When I confess my sins then I believe he forgives and when I go to the cross, I put off the old man and put on the new man. I will not go on a merry go round with the old man. I will not continually ask God to do something he has already done as though I don’t believe he has really done it. Sister if you believe that you have not repented and gone to the cross then I hope you will, for every one must answer for their own sins and not to be busy bodies in other people’s matters. The death at the cross is the only way to deal with the merry-go-round of emotions that people just can’t seem to get rid of. When I reckoned myself to be dead with Christ on the cross I am through with my past life and all the people who did me wrong or hurt me can’t do me wrong or hurt me anymore because I have died to my self, my past, and I must stay dead in my future with Christ in me the hope of glory. I forget those things that are behind me and I am reaching for those things that are before me. I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Hi Krispykrittr,You said,
When I get to heaven and stand before the throne... God will not say to me "Your grandfather ran moonshine in the 1950's... why should I let you into my heaven?"
I'm disagreeing with your theology.
Chris... as I said, I love you... but your theologically incorrect on this, and you're espousing revisionist history.
_________________The life of man is warfare upon the Earth.Love never fails.
Chris... you're now entering into contention for the sake of contention.I said what I said. And asking the Body of Christ to apologize for how it has been "represented" in the past is absurd. I dont even know what that means, to be truthful.The true Body of Christ did NOT sit back on it's laurels and do nothing while slavery existed. But I refuse to go back over history with you.This is becoming a pointless argument. I dont have time for this... No one is buying into your reasoning so now you're accusing me of running you around in circles.I wish you success in whatever it is you're trying to accomplish with this thread, my brother. I look forward to discussing something different with you on some other thread where we can have less contention between us.Krispy
Hi BenBrockway,"What I would like to know is when America will move foward? I don't how many times in my 33 years of living in this temporary body that I have attended a prayer gathering, heard a president speak on, or seen the majority of America come together on the repenting for slavery and racial injustice." I was wondering about the statement that you made above and if I could ask you to clarify it? Did you mean that you have seen these things many times?The reason why I ask is, as far as I know or can immediately recall, I have not seen them ever?It was pretty surprising to me that the 110th Congress had recently passed(as far as I can tell it was in July) a resolution to officially applogise for slavery and racial segregation [url=http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/hr194_ih.xml]H. RES. 194[/url]So, I hope it is alright if I ask you to clarify what you meant there?Also, about this,"When can there be unity instead of a constant reminder of sin's past?"I think I can appreciate what you are asking. I also think that there is example in the Bible of being called to remember the sins of the past and to learn from them. Consider Paul's admonition in 1 Co 10:11 for example. Or some of the Psalms, for instance Psalm 106 and 78. In Psalm 106 it is written:"And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them. Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, And shed innocent blood, [i]even[/i] the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood." - Psalm 106:36-38(KJV)Wish you well and thank you for your time,Chris
If no slaves were brought here from their native land (many of which were sold into slavery by members of their own race) they would never have been exposed to the Word of God and would have died in their sins.Are any of the Black Organizers suggesting the different tribes need to apologize to each other? Where should the guilt end? Why not focus on the good that those evil actions was turned into by our All Powerful God? Countless souls have been saved as a result.Praise Jesus. Romans 8:28And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.Kind regards,white stone
"And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them. Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood."- Psalm 106:36-38(KJV)
_________________"Do what thou wilt." - Satan
Dear Krispykrittr,
Chris... you're now entering into contention for the sake of contention.
And asking the Body of Christ to apologize for how it has been "represented" in the past is absurd. I dont even know what that means, to be truthful.
Chris JD and others,I am a Irish/ French/ Portugese (dads side), my grand father is a direct immigrant of Dublin. My mom is African american. Where does that leave me?I consider myself African American because I live inside of mid-dark brown skin, I also have most of the traits of what is considered to be African American. I have been classified that way, and I have grown up with the struggle.My only and deepest struggle now is to help get the body of believers, if that is what they are gong to be, to begin to advance themselves further in the love of Christ so that they can be forgiven if needed and learn to comfortably interact with the all the Children of God.What I am learning indepthly is that many aren't converted and convicted to step outside of the degradation and shame they and their ancestors have placed upon the mentalities and lives of africans, in which we now call americans.OooHHH but when the holy spirit gets to such a core, when he touches a man for real, it is in that instance, he embraces his brothe and his sister no matter what the color with and un-ending and very endearing love. Do I see that much NO, been around the entire world, even in missionary camps, nd this is probably one of the more tolerating and loving environments to bless God in....Many on this website need and exact overhaul from God on this issue of race, racial divide, and racial issues such as this conversation. It only clarifies to me what the Holy Spirit has uttered in my heart only after a few days here. We are wasting precious time in practically all of these debates because they bring NO Glory to God nor or they edifying to Anyone here.While one intends to make or introduce a valid point, all of the others tend to do anything, say practically anything, and try to counteract in anyway they can to lambast to other individual somehow. Love here? Even if I knew many of you, I would say what you have to say is fruitless.Fruitless, fruitless, and your words are filled with tongue lashing ill-fire....ChrisJD, I have had to bridge many gaps in my life between other races even okinawans and japanese, they have their differences, and we have had to help bring them together.Only the spirit of God helps us and allows us when we truly solicit God's help in such "touchy" matters.I understand full well what you are saying, but many have "there own" opinion, and not God's voiced mandate on this issue else this conversation would have either been cutndry or not even started.May God help our souls in another "dead and fruitless conversation" regardless of how many Hooorays you give each other.....you can call it constructive if you like, but it results in fruitlessness. If what i am saying is harsh, is because it is, and if no one likes me, my rebuke or my response period. SO What!!!!!!!!!!!Let us grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and do away with such childishness.... Brethren, can't you see that this is why we fail, we continue to fail, oh what lifelessness we have......Please seek in the depthness of your own heart so that God can continue to cut away at this miserable part of our lives.....With Love,The fireWe act just like Coulter, Limbaugh, and hannity, to one another....
ChrisJD wrote:Hi BenBrockway,"What I would like to know is when America will move foward? I don't how many times in my 33 years of living in this temporary body that I have attended a prayer gathering, heard a president speak on, or seen the majority of America come together on the repenting for slavery and racial injustice." I was wondering about the statement that you made above and if I could ask you to clarify it? Did you mean that you have seen these things many times?
The reason why I ask is, as far as I know or can immediately recall, I have not seen them ever?It was pretty surprising to me that the 110th Congress had recently passed(as far as I can tell it was in July) a resolution to officially applogise for slavery and racial segregation [url=http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/hr194_ih.xml]H. RES. 194[/url]So, I hope it is alright if I ask you to clarify what you meant there?Also, about this,"When can there be unity instead of a constant reminder of sin's past?"I think I can appreciate what you are asking. I also think that there is example in the Bible of being called to remember the sins of the past and to learn from them. Consider Paul's admonition in 1 Co 10:11 for example. Or some of the Psalms, for instance Psalm 106 and 78. In Psalm 106 it is written:"And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them. Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, And shed innocent blood, [i]even[/i] the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood." - Psalm 106:36-38(KJV)
Wish you well and thank you for your time,Chris
Hi BenBrokway, thank you for your response.
Chris, I have actually participated with many churches on the repentance for slavery and racial divide issue. I've even participated in times when the American church came together in one accord and expressed shame and sought repentance for these issues.
"When will America move forward?"
