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ChrisJD
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| | Re: | | I shared earlier in this thread how my brother-in-law sent me an e-mail yesturday. The e-mail claimed that a young black man that returned some shoes to a store in Kansas City after finding them being sold for a cheaper price elsewhere, noticed a racial slur printed on his reciept.
I didn't believe the story until I followed the link and watched the story on the local news over the internet.
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PaulWest
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Alright, I could see that. But how exactly are we to know what God might do through acts of humility?
There are acts of humility that are birthed in the spirit and there are those that are birthed in the soul. Not all humility is sanctioned by God to bring about transformation on the Spiritual level. If it is God Himself Who is initiating this public apology on behalf of the nation, it is of Spirit; anything less is birthed in the sentiments of man and is from the realm of soul.
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| | Re: salvery | | Hello ChrisJD,
I agree with my sisters. How many men died so the slaves could have their freedom? There was a Civil War fought for that! Is that not enough? Let it be.
As for masters being good to their slaves, what about this man?
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Matthew 8:6: And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
7: And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
8: The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
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It seems he was concerned enough to seek healing for his servant/slave, that does not seem like the actions of a cruel man. There were good people who owned slaves and treated them as humans. There is another active thread I just read tonight that points out that even if you are in a bad place, it may be exactly the place God wants you to be. Should apologies be sought for that? I think not. "Father, Forgive them, for they know not what they do", is the prescribed path.
And, to me to petition the Gov't for this would be easily perceived as a passive aggressive move. Sort of saying, we are bigger than you are and if you don't accept my proposal that is proof. For me, the less I can have to do with this worldly Gov't the better.
Trying to keep my eyes heavenward, not looking back.
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PaulWest
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My wife, who is black, thinks that if someone painted their face black today it might start a riot.
Not quite following you here, brother. What does this have to with the things of God? It seems to me you are content remaining on a superficial level of social reform and soul. Quote:
I disagree with you brother Paul.
This is okay brother! What do you disagree with me about?
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ChrisJD
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There are acts of humility that are birthed in the spirit and there are those that are birthed in the soul. Not all humility is sactioned by God to bring about transformation on the Spiritual level. If it is God Himself Who is initiating this public apology on behalf of the nation, it is of Spirit; anything less is birthed in the sentiments of man and is from the realm of soul.
[i]Not all humility is sactioned by God to bring about transformation on the Spiritual level.[/i]
And yet we have clear instruction to seek out our brother if he may have something against us.
I find it amazing that even the sugestion of doing that on the possibility that it might improve our relations with each others is met with so much skepticisim, obejction, and complaint.
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ChrisJD
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Not quite following you here, brother. What does this have to with the things of God? It seems to me you are content remaining on a superficial level of social reform and soul.
I was responding to your statement here:
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We're talking about generations removed, many generations. People today are generally disenfranchised from the things that went on in the 18th and early to mid 19th century in this nation.
Jeremiah said Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers. Do you have some disagreement with people being healed in their souls?
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I disagreed with you because you said
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Yes, brother, this is a house resolution. But to the regular person living in this nation in 2008, Jim Crow is of a bygone era, and the average person doesn't even know who or what "Jim Crow" was or is. I love colored folk, and I fellowship with them. Never once has this slavery issue and oppression been a factor or an influence upon our friendship. Those that are embittered will remain embittered despite what you or I do or say. They're angry with the government, Chris, with "the man" and basically want hand-outs and sympathy. These people need to get saved, brother, and not more soulish efforts at social reform that begin and end with man.
Does that make more sense? Sorry.
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PaulWest
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And yet we have clear instruction to seek out our brother if he may have something against us.
Brother, keeping this in context, does your wife have something against me because of the color of my skin and what it may represent? Do I really need to apologize to her as a white man to black woman? I am truly ignorant to the fact that my black brothers have something against me, and that I owe them an apology for something I didn't do, or anyone in my family did. My ancestors were still living in Italy or Greece most likely during the 18th and 19th century. You're wallowing in a soulish realm, brother, and God doesn't touch this.
Let's rise above social reform - and using the Word of God to support our ideals of social reform - and disect spiritual matters instead. In Christ there is no black, white, male, female. I would rather park here.
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ChrisJD
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Brother, keeping this in context, does your wife have something against me because of the color of my skin and what it may represents? I had no idea my black brothers had something against me.
That's a good question Paul. I think that questions like that could be asked of the millions of individuals in this nation and the responses would probably vary. Maybe they would distrust you because of things done to them in the past, not by you but by others that you remind them of.
I live in the black community and I think that distrust of white people is still a real possiblity.
We do not know what is in people's hearts.
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ChrisJD
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You're wallowing in a soulish realm, brother, and God doesn't touch this.
"I said, LORD, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee."
- Psalm 41:4(KJV)
Brother Paul, thank you for you time in responding to me. I think it will be best if I do not respond further to you.
May God bless you richly.
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PaulWest
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May God bless you richly.
God bless you brother. Thanks for the discussion.
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