The words that the Lord gave me, He gave me in 2004 and 2005. I wrote them down and sent them out. I even posted one of them on this site a couple of years ago. As for not meaning to offend, I am not offended brother, not sure, given the tone of your initial reply, if you are not being a tad disingenuous. If I am wrong I apologise. On my own site, I followed up the post by a piece called Create in me a Clean heart which I also posted on here
Its the story of David and the census and how the Lord judged David and his countrymen. The actual Scriptural quotes from the "word," I quoted was from Lamentations and from Isa 22. dealing with national judgement. When I spoke against President Bush four and five years ago, based on what the Lord had given me, it was a very un-popular message. I actually lost some friends over it. You see, at that time the President was highly popular, so the Lord's word that He gave me was not reactionary. I also wrote a piece called "Lions led by Donkeys," again, posted on here, when every Christian leader in the country was urging people to go out and vote. The Christians of this country put their faith in a man, and by the Christian vote he was put back in office. When God judges a country and a people He shakes them to the core.
Chris, perhaps you can share what the Lord gave you in the past? Brother, you wrote " But to claim without doubt that this is the effect of Gods judgment on the President? " Brother, I made no such claim, these are words added by you. I simply stated what the Lord shared with me, in shocking clarity :) Now you can accept it or reject it, it will matter not to God.
Let me ask you this brother, when you read my piece did you go and study who Shebna was and what happened to him? Again, you can find it in Isa 22. ...........brother Frank
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The most striking thing to me about our times in our nation is how many serious negative things are going on at once and yet it is almost business as usual among Christians.
Everything that happens gets an excuse until the sky could literally fall and there would be little or no urgency. Concern, but no urgency to do 'something'.
Friends, I believe it is time to face the music. If God lifts one more finger off our land we will likely spend a bag of gold for a loaf of bread. How many caskets are going to have to float down our rivers? How many wars are we going to have to be engaged in at once? We have been baptized in water, how about fire and blood? What will it take before the average Christian or American comes to their sense and realizes something is seriously WRONG!
What's the answer to economic problems in our back yard? Build a 700 Million Dollar casino to milk dry the dusty pocketbooks of the fatherless and the widows. Yes, friends, we are going to face the music. And maybe the masses will gurgle their last words, "God had nothing to do with this" if they want to; but God give us some prophets that will CRY loud and spare not in the face of this apathetic, lukewarm and blind generation.
Robert Wurtz II
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I think you said it all brother....God bless you.....brother Frank
| 2008/9/23 18:10|
| Contributing to the delinquency of a blind sinner|
I think we need to stop also contributing to the delinquency of sinners. Why scratch our heads when we see all these things befall us as if some strange thing happened? As if we have no idea what we could be doing wrong that might, even some remote possibility, be causing our MASS calamity. What do we need a nuclear war?
Shame on us. Shame on us for thanking God for blessing America for 2oo= years and then acting dumb when His hand comes off. Shame on us. That is a backhand to the face like no other.
Dig Sodom up and apologize? Since when did Sodom export and broadcast such wickedness around the globe until it corrupted whole societies? Since when did Sodom bankrupt itself in unparalleled greed until she suffocated in bibles the most plentiful book in the land. Yes, my friends, BRACE yourselves.
Robert Wurtz II
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Appolus, you said
"Now you can accept it or reject it, it will matter not to God."
Are you speaking for God here?
Christopher Joel Dandrow
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Hi Chris...I only speak for God when I am speaking His word or if He gives me a word. I think that some would have me deny that God speaks to me and to His people. Bottom line is, if anyone thinks what I said was not from God, let Him say that boldy, not dither around the edges. I can only tell you that I know that small still voice and He has spoken to me often in my 18 years of Christianity. He gave me a word 4 years ago, I spoke it, I wrote it, I sent it, that is where my responsibiltiy lies and ends. Now that it has come to pass. I do not claim to be a prophet, in fact, I will tell you right now, I am not a prophet. What I will not deny is that God speaks to me. And when He does, like He does to almost every Christian I know, people can either accept it or reject it, it wont change the truth. If a Christian has a word and it does not come to pass, as according to Deuteronomy, that person can be ignored. Sometimes this forum can seem like a higher critics forum. God is a supernatural God and He is still in the business of talking to His people.
Yet, to focus on me is a complete digression of this post. What brother Robert shared is what we should be discussing. I think the time has come for brothers around the world to put 1Cor 13:10 to one side and simply stand side by side as God moves to shake everything that can be shaken. ...........brother Frank
| 2008/9/23 20:50|
Thank you for your response to my question.
In regards to that, and this in particular,
"He gave me a word 4 years ago, I spoke it, I wrote it, I sent it, that is where my responsibiltiy lies and ends."
When you were questioned about this word, you went on to make(what appeared to me to be) a declaration about the heart of God as to this person either accepting or rejecting it.
So, my question again to you is, are you speaking for God there?
I think this is entirely releveant. You have publicly declared that God has given you this word and then you made a declaration as to God's attitude(again, as it appeared to me) of a believer here either accepting it or rejecting it.
Whether or not you claim to be a prophet, you have claimed to speak directly for God here. It seems entirely appropriate to me in considering your claims, to examine your actions here.
Thank you again for your time and patience,
Christopher Joel Dandrow
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Hello brothers. I appreciate these forums. They show us alot about ourselves and our strenghts and weakness'. James said let not many of you be masters for we all err in word. I'm all for being discerning etc. However as we are sharpening one another lets become sharper at longsuffering, patience, kindness etc. towards one another. krispy you started the responses with a flippint,(in my opinion,which could be wrong) "I don't put much stock in these"...etc. You initialy weren't addressing the poster but everyone else. Krispy you carry alot of weight on this sight and you help keep things moving. I appreciate that.However as you and others test all things and hold fast to that which is good please sharpen your charity and giving more credit to fellow christians. Part of revival on personal level and on this sight I think would be in a greater love for each other even if we think someone is a little off. Forgive my brevity and weakness of words. Lord bless, John
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Hi Chris....please forgive me if I think you are straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel. I made that statement in regard to when God speaks, despite the reactions of the hearer, it still comes to pass. When Jeremiah told the residents of Israel what was to befall them, despite their reactions, it still befell them. That was my point. I did not claim to speaking for God when I spoke those words. Perhaps if it had been looked at charitibly, and not looking for a technicality, it might have been seen. Can I say, and I say that this with love, I am amazed that you pick the sentence I did not claim I was speaking for God, and you ignored the "words," I did claim that God gave me.
I think brother Robert is right. The many fires have broken out around Rome and many Christians are breaking our their fiddles. Chris, if you belive the word, heed it, if you do not, reject it. I would council you to heed brother Roberts words too. The church is sleeping, and they do not want to be wakened up. I would just repeat the words of the Rev Ian Paisley at the start of the Revival Hymn....Waken up you sleepy Christians.
| 2008/9/23 21:25|
| The Good the Bad and the Ugly|
I don't believe that God has a "judgement on Bush" per se'. I believe that Bush was the instrument in the hand of God for the season. I believe the history books, maybe ten or fifteen years from now (allowing that we have that much time, probably not) will accuratly portray Bush and show the true good he did. He was not perfect by a long shot and has made many honest mistakes, maybe it was because of bad advisors. I do believe he was a man of integrity and has walked in the light he was alotted. Many woes in this country have been aborted because of his presidency. Like it or not he has slowed the judgement of God on this country down enough for God's people to get thier houses in order.
We talk about loss and losing things. work monies, houses etc... and we almost enjoy or relish that thougt as if they (who ever they are) deserve it. As soon as that same judgement touches us on a personal level we cry foul and play a different tune. Woe to thoughs who hope for the day of the Lord, its a day of darkness and trouble and anxiety and stress and heartache. The colapse of America will be the milstone around the neck of the rest of the world. For all America has wrong with it, it still has much right with it.
As to Bushes overview on this present situation, he has already said that in reguards to a "Bail out", if the (taxpayers) gov. doesn't the effects of no involvement may be even worse, but who besides God really knows, mean while the rest of us arm chair quarterbacks can speculate with what little real first hand knowledge we have, but of course the fool answers a matter with only part of the information? Some how I can not see to place the blame on Bush, the dems or the reps or even the liberals in this country, I place the blame on the pulpits in this country and those in the pews, period, end of story, that's right, America under judgement is my fault and your fault! Maybe if we would have just kept our consciences a little cleaner and stretched our faith just alittle more, fasted more prayed more really believe God and His word more, maybe the history books and newspapers and heavenly reporters have a way different view of this whole matter than what we are willing to except. Bush? No way....It's time for judgement to begin in the house of the Lord.
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