I will observe for a while, my life and the way i act and then make my desicion.
You've already made one decision... to quit. Then you've made another to begin again. Will you then make yet one more to quit?
Young brother, neglect discipline now, and it will not come any easier when you are older. All of us should remember that when we allow weakness to have it's way in our character, life doesn't get easier as we intend, but rather much harder.
You say you want to observe your life. Well, can you observe that you committed to quitting, but found you couldn't? Doesn't this obsession concern you enough? The worrisome issue here isn't World of Warcraft, but indolence. Don't give in, young brother! Stir yourself up, and be strong and sober minded!
"My sin is that my heart is pleased or troubled as things please or trouble me, without my having a regard to Christ." (Valley of Vision.)
Stay in touch,
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| Re: So, its an experiment, is it?|
We hear you Watered, and love you.
Oh sweetie, do you hear yourself?
[i]well i must say thier is a tug to reinstall the game and then go and reinbute my character,[u][b]but its not that strong of a temptation[/i][/b][/u], So like I guess the tug got stronger, huh?
[i]but i kind of thought about this and i thought to myself that it is all about the captin of our Salvation Jesus Christ and that if i am saved, [u][b]then even if i would run and start reinstalling and keep on playing WOW then my Lord would come and get me back[/i][/b][/u], WOW, That kinda sounds fun. And that bible verse would be??
[i]its a really hard thing to run from God cause he is really big, and you kind of dont know where to run. This game is kinda bad tho, when i look back at it i must say thier is alot of Demonic stuff in it, like alot, but i guess the real problem with the game was its idolatry and [u][b]the fact that i played that game more then i would spend time in seeking the Lord[/i][/u][/b]. Now that sounds like a good, objective measure you could use to assess the effect of this on your behavior over time. What other objective measures will you use in your experiment as you [i]try to discern for myself if this game is bad to play[/i]. Have you set a time limit for the end of your experiment? What would you consider a definite thing you would need to observe in order to decide? Really, let us know.
[i][b][u]but i dont know if i will because mostly i am afraid, because i am afraid of living in rebelion.
But i will pray more about this[/i][/b][/u]. So like what was the answer to your prayer that helped you loose your fear of living in rebellion and make your decision to reinstall/reboot? About living in rebellion, did you mean like, [i][u]make [b]my[/b] desicion[/i][/u]. I guess you are now hoping Brother Greg (Sermonindex) is wrong and you will be able to tell.
We hear you Watered. You know you are loved. We are not going anywhere and you can tell us how things go. In fact I think one good criterion you might consider, as an assessment of your behavior is your continued contact here.
Maybe even post results weekly. Like # hours in this or that, types of thoughts, actions, whatever you think would help you with your decision. I just heard on the radio: No good thing will God withhold from those who walk uprightly How about that as a measure? You have our interest and attention (hopefully Gods too?) Oh my, from the Christian radio program God disciplines those He loves. Now some people value being loved that way. I guess I can understand that. Can you tell I am trying to think on Philippians 4:8
Oh yea, rebellion is like witchcraft so that kinda fits. Maybe assessing if your degree of rebellion (rule breaking, etc.) increases in other things would be a good measure. You would know the best measures. Tell us. We can all learn here.
Keeping myself in the Love of God,
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oh man, i'm living in rebellion? I dont want to live in rebellion. What do i do?
| 2008/8/1 10:38||Profile|
Are you kidding?
| 2008/8/1 11:50||Profile|
This is exactly what I've been beginning to think.
Paul Frederick West
| 2008/8/1 12:42||Profile|
No sir, not at all. I'm very sorry if it appears that way. Its just that this my most favorite game and it is pretty much the only game that i play, it is hard for me to give it up. I just dont know whtat to do, part of me says that it is ok to play and this is not rebelion becuase it is just a game and teh other part says that maybe you guys are right and i should jsut give away my account and just forget about this game. Thats why i am confused.
| 2008/8/1 12:43||Profile|
Walter, this flip-floppping back and forth and then rushing back here to give us all the details is a little strange. You already know this game is wrong, God (if you are saved) has already given you light on it, otherwise you wouldn't have raised the question in the first place. It's like people who come in here and ask questions about drinking and smoking and whether such practices are permissible for the Christian. They already know the answer in their heart, for God has spoken His will concerning these things to them in the past. The only matter now is your obedience to the light God has given you, but such a thing shouldn't necessitate the odd rollercoaster this thread has become.
Paul Frederick West
| 2008/8/1 12:58||Profile|
I have been reading this for awhile now, and I hope you don't mind if I add to it.
I just want you to know, that the reason that you had questions about it to begin with is in reality conviction. When God puts a questioning in our hearts He is really telling us that there is a BIG reason to question it. Regardless of what "thing" it may be.
There are many things in this life that we can say to ourselves, "Well, it's only....."; and that is where the enemy of our soul wants us to be, trying to legitimize something that just needs to be put away from ourselves.
Playing with anything, a game, a habit, a thoughtlife that is questionable can become rebellion towards God when we choose to do what we want instead of giving into what God wants.
We must ask ourselves, all of us must, what does God really want us to do with our time, our energy, our thoughts? Is it to play with things that cause us to be in a questionable position? No, probably not.
This whole life is a spiritual battle, and when we give up those things that are held within our imagination, we can then, and only then, begin on those things that are within the realm of reality, within the realm of who we truly are. Those things that God wants us to become, not just for ourselves, but for the glory of His kingdom.
[i]Casting down every imagination, and everything that exalts [b]itself[/b] against the knowledge of God,
[b]and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.[/i]
This is what we all must do, regardless of age, regardless of issue, regardless of our own way, we must all choose to bring the inner life into the obedience of Christ.
And while it may seem difficult at the beginning, it becomes very precious, and the benefits that we gain from this obedience are more wonderful than anything we gain from anything that we "play" with.
Praying that you recieve the grace to lay down all for Christ's sake.
Love in Christ,
| 2008/8/1 13:00||Profile|
Ill give a testimony, when i was saved, after some time a week or two, i felt as you do watered, it was not games but music, i had a great collection and thousands of songs albums in a folder on my computer, one of my greatest passions was music, i listened several hours a day to this kind of music, my flavor was hip hop and rap.
But God gave me light and i was sitting before my computer and thinking should i delete it?
i thought no and puched it forward made some excuses its only music and on and on.
but God was speaking and i went back and i deleted the whole folder.
I tell you it hurt, like a sword going through me inwardly.
but the result from this pain was freedom!
i became totally free from it afterwards, praise God. I can still quote out the worst ungodly lyrics i learned by memory ten years ago, it still sits there in the back of my head.
But i tell you it was worth it, and i see it as a gift God showed me the wonder and majesty of the godly music that is available out there.
As goes for video games, we can be legalistic, i think you can play just as you can play fotball or whatever, but we have to see to it that it dont consume us. This wow game is i think as others have said very bad and demonic inspired.
and thinking of those hours played now invested in prayer and bible study, and then look back a year from now. What blessing can flow through your life! what revelation of God you may enjoy!
you may sit at his feet and drink from water that will not make you thirsty again.
And if you cant give it up, "cut of the hand"
its better to walk through life that way....
I pray you will obey Gods voice.
| 2008/8/1 13:30||Profile|
| Re: Can Some One Give me Advice on a Game I play|
i thought todays devotional from Oswald Chambers fit here
[i]He comes where He commands us to leave. If you stayed home when God told you to go because you were so concerned about your own people there, then you actually robbed them of the teaching of Jesus Christ Himself. When you obeyed and left all the consequences to God, the Lord went into your city to teach, but as long as you were disobedient, you blocked His way. Watch where you begin to debate with Him and put what you call your duty into competition with His commands. If you say, "I know that He told me to go, but my duty is here," it simply means that you do not believe that Jesus means what He says.
He teaches where He instructs us not to teach. "Master . . . let us make three tabernacles . . ." ( Luke 9:33 ).
Are we playing the part of an amateur providence, trying to play Gods role in the lives of others? Are we so noisy in our instruction of other people that God cannot get near them? We must learn to keep our mouths shut and our spirits alert. God wants to instruct us regarding His Son, and He wants to turn our times of prayer into mounts of transfiguration. When we become certain that God is going to work in a particular way, He will never work in that way again.
He works where He sends us to wait. ". . . tarry . . . until . . ." (Luke 24:49 ). "Wait on the Lord" and He will work (Psalm 37:34 ). But dont wait sulking spiritually and feeling sorry for yourself, just because you cant see one inch in front of you! Are we detached enough from our own spiritual fits of emotion to "wait patiently for Him"? ( Psalm 37:7 ). Waiting is not sitting with folded hands doing nothing, but it is learning to do what we are told.
These are some of the facets of His ways that we rarely recognize.[/i]
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