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 Re: A FALSE HEALING REVIVAL?? -Florida

i watched some of the videos, there is no difference from those videos and to some of the rock/hip hop concerts i went to as unsaved. None, nada nothing. Just some people working up emotions and saying that fuzzy/happy feeling is God.

I will be so bold to say that i suspect the a very large group of "Christians" have no, absolute no understanding of what Christianity actually is in reality.

i will recommend this series to you all, especially you who feel this might be of God.


T.A Sparks

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 2008/5/2 5:02Profile
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 Caution

While I'm not a judge of such things as to ,"is this from God or is it New Age or even of the devil", I do approach the people of the Lord with a simplicity of scriptural understanding so that what "SOME" of them have recieved is not lost. When a person is sincere and seeks the Lord for some real need of healing, deliverence, or you fill in the blank, in the midst of even what "MIGHT" be false, that sincere believer will recieve a "REAL" touch from a loving God and Father, rember Jesus said that if we ask of Him bread will He give us a stone...etc....how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask. So God responds to the heart of the individual and is well able to circumvent the "wrong spirits" that may be present and at the same time protect the blameless from decieving spirits. As to Lynn Clark ? My guess is that if you asked her she would confess that at the out set she knew that those teachings were false and decided to expose herself to them anyway and got in over her head and had to cry out to Jesus for help. She wouldn't have needed repentance at all if her conscience would have been clear, but because it was not clear she repented, so her testamony on this matter is somewhat flawed.


Having said what I have here I do always caution following experiences and signs and wonders. Even when they are present in my own life, here's an example: resently I was traveling from Minn. back home to Ohio, a 16 hr trip, I had finished uo in Minn. sunday nite and decided to drive staight home, so I drove through the night, while I was on the Ohio turnpike I stopped at a rest area to refresh my self, I had drove from sunday nite through to monday at around 11:45, I was tired, so while in side I closed my eyes for just a brief moment, it was during that brief moment I had a vision of an elderly man, his face clear in my mind, as I left the rest area this same man was standing at one of the 5 differnt exits, I was to tired to really want to stop, so after I was about 30 feet past this man the Lord spoke to my disobedient heart, I threw out a fleece, if that's you Lord bring him to me, and Jesus did, I turned and that man was headed straight for me, so I meet him half way and told him that Jesus Christ who is God wanted me to pray for him, I asked if he was a christian, he was not, Itold briefly about Jesus, and asked him what was wrong with him? He was in the last stages of a lung ailment and was just waiting really to die, I noticed he couldn't breath. So I prayed and the Lord healed him there on the spot, it surprised us both, praise the Lord! That said, as I drove off from the encounter I did not embrace that manifestation of God's healing power as something to follow, it was not the norm, and neither are these visitations in Florida. Experiences come and go but the Word of the Lord abides forever. I think really those who will come to the river of God's Word will find all that they desire. But as humans we like the entertainment value of a manifestation like the one in Florida.


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 2008/5/2 9:42Profile









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False signs and wonders are spreading everywhere and the Rick Joyner's, Todd Bentley's, Benny Hinn's et al are, and have been, spearheading these false movements. Run from Florida and run from Charlotte..run ..run.. run

It doesn't surprise me at all that this has spread to Joyner's back yard. Woe to those who lead God's sheep astray...WOE TO THEM!

 2008/5/2 12:13









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The Prophet Bob Jones said that an angel spoke to him about this movement and said it was the 'Spirit of The Wind of Change'. Where in the Bible does God talk of this particular Spirit and what does it do?

I don't doubt Bob Jones heard this voice and there certainly is a wind of change..... A CHANGE FROM WHAT IS PURE, HOLY, AND TRUE TO WHAT IS DEPRAVED, DELUDED, AND FALSE.

Ecclesiastes 4:6
Better one handful with tranquillity than two handfuls with toil and chasing after the wind.

Run from such men!!!!

 2008/5/2 12:40









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Bob Jones "prophecied" over me a few years ago in Charlotte back before I wisened up and left this movement.

Bob Jones is a false prophet in the first degree... and his moral failures should have disqualified him from the ministry years ago. Instead they were covered up and he was "restored".

Beware of this guy...

Krispy

 2008/5/2 14:25
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Krispy,
Bob Jones moral failures DID disqualify him from the ministry for a few years actually. One of the staff pastors where I also serve on staff lived in Kansas City at the time he was under discipline. He said he was indeed disciplined and restricted from ministry. The Bible tells us that if a minister fails he is not disqualified from ministry, but needs to be restored by mature and spiritual bretheren. To disagree with his "revelations" is one thing, to say that moral failure which was disciplined, and repented of publicly disqualifies one for ministry is quite another.

And to the rest . . . I have always appreciated your desire for the genuine. I still do to this day. We clearly do not agree on many subjects . . . for instance I am a graduate of the Brownsville Revival School of Ministry. I know that this in and of itself would disqualify anything that I have to say as being genuine in many of your eyes. While I certainly do not claim to be an expert on this subject I would caution all to be careful and not to label someone as a false prophet (scripturally this would put the person in a hellbound state). Perhaps you believe that they are in error, but to call them false is far different.

I would simply encourage you to watch what is happening and see if fruit comes from it. We'll see right?

God bless,
Jeff


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 2008/5/2 14:43Profile









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Bob Jones moral failures DID disqualify him from the ministry for a few years actually. One of the staff pastors where I also serve on staff lived in Kansas City at the time he was under discipline. He said he was indeed disciplined and restricted from ministry. The Bible tells us that if a minister fails he is not disqualified from ministry, but needs to be restored by mature and spiritual bretheren. To disagree with his "revelations" is one thing, to say that moral failure which was disciplined, and repented of publicly disqualifies one for ministry is quite another.



I have to disagree with this. Where in scripture do we see in NT teaching where a pastor or preacher being restored to the ministry after moral failings? We dont... because it isnt there.

Paul makes it clear to both Timothy and Titus what the qualifications are. Once a man fails morally (sexually, to be specific)... he can certainly be restored before God, can be restored to the church... but not the ministry. He no longer meets the requirements put forth by Paul.

And when you consider that Mr. Jones was using his so-called "prophetic gifting" in order to coerce women sexually... It's not like he just cheated on his wife. He abused his position in order to do it.

Show me where, in the NT, it is taught that a minister can be restored to his position after sexual immorality.

Even David, according to what Paul teaches, would have been disqualified from the ministry... permanently.

Krispy

 2008/5/2 15:26









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By the way... for those who are confused... we are definately [b]NOT[/b] talking about Bob Jones as in Bob Jones University. Totally different guy.

Krispy

 2008/5/2 15:27









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I have to say... I really dont like to bring up this thing with Bob Jones. I dont get any joy out of mentioning what needed to be mentioned here.

Unfortunately, there is a tremendous amount of ignorance in the church when it comes to scripture. I dont claim to have the corner on all truth, the Lord knows I have a long ways to go.

When I see people referring to people like Bob Jones in a favorable way on this forum I have to speak up. To not say anything is to risk seeing people follow someone like him.

If Jones had simply had an affair, I would not mention it... probably. But in his case he used his position in the ministry to coerce women in a sexual way. Thats a double "whammy" against him being in the ministry at all at this point.

And people need to know that because you certainly wont be told that by the churches and ministries in which he moves.

I truly hope that he has repented, and that he and his wife have mended the marriage. But that does not mean that he can be restored to ministry. Scripture NEVER once even suggests that.

Oh sure, ignorant Christians will point to David and say "God restored him!". News flash... David was not a minister or a priest! Let's keep things in context.

So what does scripture say? Read 1 Timothy 3, and Titus 1. It is very explicit about the qualifications for pastors and ministers.

Ask yourself... is Bob Jones blameless? Does he have a good report? etc etc...? He may have been at one time, but once he crossed that line he threw it away.

The office of pastor/ministry is a sacred one. Paul cherished the purity of the office of pastor/ministry... and thru his writings the Holy Spirit is showing us that very few men are really called to the ministry... because very few can live up to the qualifications.

And to me, it says something about the pride of a man who commits such acts (especially using his position in the church in order to commit those acts)... and wont step down voluntarily, and is in fact "restored" to the same position.

I believe a humble and godly man would walk away from the ministry for fear of a Holy God. For fear of making a mockery of the ministry.

And it's interesting that someone else in that whole Kansas City prohpecy thing was found out to be a practicing homosexual. We really need to be careful who we're following. So many follow this minister or that minister... how about just following Jesus?

Just a few thoughts.

Krispy

 2008/5/2 16:08
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