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"So then when we are given a name that describes a priesthood that is represented as both the king of righteousness and the king of peace...a priest who is "made like the Son of God" and finally a priesthood "that never ends" what might we conclude about this priest who was sent by God to Abraham?"

This Melchizedek "made like", was a created man not a birthed only begotten Son of God. He is a type of the priesthood Christ would enter forever for His people His Body of Christ the Church, not a type of the Messiah. Whom God has sent to you. Melchizedek was not born of a virgin, by the Holy Spirit, or say he was the Son of God incarnate, hang on a Cross, die be buried rise on the third day, taken up into heaven, come back and be birthed in the son's and daughter's of God.

By Albert Barns, The account of Melchisedek, which is very brief, occurs in Ge 14:18-20. The name occurs in the Bible only in Ge 14:1-24, Ps 110:4, and in this epistle. Nothing else is certainly known of him. Grotius supposes that he is the same man who, in the history of Sanchoniathon, is called suduk--Sydyc. It has indeed been made a question by some whether such a person ever actually existed, and consequently whether this be a proper name. But the account in Genesis is as simple an historical record as any other in the Bible. In that account there is no difficulty whatever. It is said simply, that when Abraham was returning from a successful military expedition, this man, who, it seems, was well known, and who was respected as a priest of God, came out to express his approbation of what he had done, and to refresh him with bread and wine. As a tribute of gratitude to him, and as a thank-offering to God, Abraham gave him a tenth part of the spoils which he had taken. Such an occurrence was by no means improbable, nor would it have been attended with any special difficulty if it had not been for the use which the apostle makes of it in this epistle. Yet on no subject has there been a greater variety of opinion than in regard to this man. The bare recital of the opinions which have been entertained of him would fill a volume. But in a case which seems to be plain, from the Scripture narrative, it is not necessary even to enumerate these opinions. They only serve to show how easy it is for men to mystify a clear statement of history, and how fond they are of finding what is mysterious and marvellous in the plainest narrative of facts. That he was Shem; as the Jews suppose, or that he was the Son of God himself, as many Christian expositors have maintained, there is not the slightest evidence. The latter opinion is false, that is perfectly clear; for if he were the Son of God, with what propriety could the apostle say that he "was made like the Son of God," Heb 7:3; that is, like himself; or that Christ was constituted a priest "after the order of Melchisedec;" that is, that he was a type of himself? The most simple and probable opinion is that given by Josephus, that he was a pious Canaanitish prince; a personage eminently endowed by God, and who acted as the priest of his people. That he combined in himself the offices of priest and king furnished to the apostle a beautiful illustration of the offices sustained by the Redeemer, and was, in this respect, perhaps the only one whose history is recorded in the Old Testament who would furnish such an illustration. That his genealogy was not recorded, while that of every other priest mentioned was so careful traced and preserved, furnished another striking illustration. In this respect, like the Son of God, he stood alone. He was not in a line of priests; he was preceded by no one in the sacerdotal office, nor was he followed by any. That he was superior to Abraham, and consequently to all who descended from Abraham; that a tribute was rendered to him by the great ancestor of all the fraternity of Jewish priests, was just an illustration which suited the purpose of Paul. His name, therefore, the place where he reigned, his solitariness, his lone conspicuity in all the past, his dignity, and perhaps the air of mystery thrown over him in the brief history in Genesis, furnished a beautiful and striking illustration of the solitary grandeur, and the inapproachable eminence of the priesthood of the Son of God. There is no evidence that Melchisedek was designed to be a type of the Messiah, or that Abraham so understood it. Nothing of this kind is affirmed; and how shall we affirm it when the sacred oracles are silent?

Melchizedek is not Jesus Christ and never could be. He could not be a type of Himself until He became incarnate.

Melchizedek did not and could not bring God's Elect into the Kingdom of His dear Son. That is the Son's reward for His obedience unto death on the Cross.

Melchizedek is only a type of the Priesthood.

In Christ: Phillip


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Daniel 3:25 He answered and said , I see men loose no .

"is like" Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
1821. d@mah (Aramaic)
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hmd d@mah (Aramaic) dem-aw'
(Aramaic) corresponding to 1819; to resemble:--be like.

"the son of God": Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
1247. bar (Aramaic)
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rb bar (Aramaic) bar
(Aramaic) corresponding to 1121; a son, grandson, etc.:--X old, son.

"is like, to resemble a son of God".

Not Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God.

Their are many sons that are heavenly.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

In Christ: Phillip


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Sister Katy wrote:

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Jeff, it is referring to when the Spirit of Christ would be "in them".



NKJ

11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

KJV

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

ASV

1Pet. 1:11 searching what time or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did point unto, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glories that should follow them.

WEB

1Pet. 1:11 searching for who or what kind of time the Spirit of Christ, which was in them, pointed to, when he predicted the sufferings of Christ, and the glories that would follow them.

YNG

1Pet. 1:11 searching in regard to what or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ that was in them was manifesting, testifying beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glory after these,

DRBY

1Pet. 1:11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ which [was] in them pointed out, testifying before of the sufferings which [belonged] to Christ, and the glories after these.

Did you miss what the Scriptures says about the" Spirit of Christ which was in them....."

We all have the same word of God but not the same doctrine...

In Christ
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Sister Katy wrote:

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Jesus own words, in the Gospels, says HE will send the Spirit, after he goes to the Father.




Who sent the Spirit before Christ became man and what did the Spirit communicate to man?

Your brother in Christ
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Sister Katy...

Is. 7:13 Then he said, “Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.

How does God establish this sign to Ahaz...who is this "Child" who eats "curds and honey" who is the sign given to King Ahaz...

One of King Ahaz's sons which he didn't sacrifice to the idol of Baal is known a King Hezekiah...

What does Scripture teach us about this "Child"? And what does Scriptures teach about the revival of that generation...even the earth stopped during this revival...

Many revival preachers in this generation teach about the revival of that generation....

In Christ
Jeff


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Albert Barnes writes...

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Nothing else is certainly known of him. Grotius supposes that he is the same man who, in the history of Sanchoniathon, is called suduk--Sydyc. It has indeed been made a question by some whether such a person ever actually existed, and consequently whether this be a proper name.



Who needs Grotius or Sanchonianthon, we have the Scripture and the Holy Spirit....


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The most simple and probable opinion is that given by Josephus, that he was a pious Canaanitish prince; a personage eminently endowed by God, and who acted as the priest of his people. That he combined in himself the offices of priest and king furnished to the apostle a beautiful illustration of the offices sustained by the Redeemer, and was, in this respect, perhaps the only one whose history is recorded in the Old Testament who would furnish such an illustration.



Again Barnes relies on man and not Scripture...

In this Barnes quotes..."That he combined in himself the offices of priest and king..."

We know according to Scripture that no man takes it upon himself to be priest of the Most High God... we know that the king of righteousness is not found in fallen man but in Christ alone....

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That he was superior to Abraham, and consequently to all who descended from Abraham; that a tribute was rendered to him by the great ancestor of all the fraternity of Jewish priests, was just an illustration which suited the purpose of Paul.



Scripture does not state that Paul wrote Hebrews...

Brother Phillip wrote:


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Melchizedek is only a type of the Priesthood



How is the priesthood of Melchizedek different from the Levitical priesthood?

Your brother in Christ
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Brother Phillip wrote:

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Their are many sons that are heavenly.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.



Well said, and this is true...


Heb. 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

But how many according to Scripture hold the office, "priest of the Most High God"?

In Christ
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NKJ

Heb. 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

KJV

Heb. 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

ASV

Heb. 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,

Heb. 7:2 to whom also Abraham divided a tenth part of all being first, by interpretation, King of righteousness, and then also King of Salem, which is King of peace;

Heb. 7:3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God, abideth a priest continually.

WEB

Heb. 7:1 ¶ For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,

Heb. 7:2 to whom also Abraham divided a tenth part of all (being first, by interpretation, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace;

Heb. 7:3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God), remains a priest continually.

YNG

Heb. 7:1 ¶ For this Melchisedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, who did meet Abraham turning back from the smiting of the kings, and did bless him,

Heb. 7:2 to whom also a tenth of all did Abraham divide, (first, indeed, being interpreted, ‘King of righteousness,’ and then also, King of Salem, which is, King of Peace,)

Heb. 7:3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, and being made like to the Son of God, doth remain a priest continually.

DRBY

Heb. 7:1 ¶ For this Melchisedec, King of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from smiting the kings, and blessed him;

Heb. 7:2 to whom Abraham gave also the tenth portion of all; first being interpreted King of righteousness, and then also King of Salem, which is King of peace;

Heb. 7:3 without father, without mother, without genealogy; having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but assimilated to the Son of God, abides a priest continually.

In all of these translations we find that the author of Hebrews describes Melchizedek with these words..."but assimilated to the Son of God," "being made like to the Son of God," "but made like the Son of God," "but made like unto the Son of God,"

Who is the author of Hebrews pointing to when Scripture is translated....Son of God?

In Christ
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Jeff asked:

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Who sent the Spirit before Christ became man and what did the Spirit communicate to man?




Jeff, Are you asking a question you don't know the answer to, or are you asking questions simply to use as a method of teaching your beliefs?

I think it has been thoroughly stated many times
that the Prophets of Old testified of the coming Messiah KING and Messiah REDEEMER.

I showed you scripture in Hebrews 1 that makes that very clear and simple.

If the Gospel of John clearly states , that the Spirit had not yet been given, then I will take God at His word that it had not yet been given.

In the OT Hebrews 1 says,

[b]God spoke through the prophets.[/b]

How did HE do that...speak through the prophets I mean????

And in these last days HE...GOD, spoke to us through His Son, Jesus Christ.

How did God do that....Speak to us through His Son...I mean?

Love in Christ
Katy-Did

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One of King Ahaz's sons which he didn't sacrifice to the idol of Baal is known a King Hezekiah...



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What does Scripture teach us about this "Child"? And what does Scriptures teach about the revival of that generation...even the earth stopped during this revival...





You're not suggesting King Hezekiah is Christ?

So then, exactly why wasn't King Hezekiah named Immanuel?

Were *Gentiles* Saved during this revival?

If so, would you show scripture that Gentiles were saved? Did they all become as Ruth, who said to Naomi, Your God is My God, and where you go, I will Go.

Love in Christ
Katy_Did


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PS,Added for Content

Isaiah 7:13 was the first announcement (To the House of DAVID)that the seed (Christ) would be, ****a virgin*** (a sign) out of all the families of Judah, through David's family tree.

As was so, as Mary is of the House of David.

John 7:42
Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

Romans 1:3
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

2 Timothy 2:8
Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

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