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 Re: Dear Lord Jesus

During the last debate one man acused the other of foolishness in regards to raising the debt ceiling of our government. Today in the paper we hear about this topic.


"Government hits debt ceiling, needs to borrow, official says"

NY Times

Less than a day after President Bush implied that Sen. Kerry lacked "fiscal sanity," the Bush administration said on Thursday that the federal government had hit the debt ceiling set by Congress and would have to borrow from the civil service retirement system until after the election.

Federal operations are unlikely to be affected because Congress is certain to raise the debt limit in a lameduck session in November....

Since Bush took office in January 2001, the federal debt has increased about 40 percent, or 2.1 trillion. Congress has raised the debt ceiling three times in three years., raising it most recently by 948 billion in May 2003.....

end of story

Yesterday the debt taken on by the U.S. in terms of trade deficits with the world last month increased by 54 billion. 18 billion dollars of last months business was attributed to trading with China. We consumed 18 billion more than we sold China. We bought televisions, toys, and cell phones. What does that say about we as a people?

We argue about how one man or another is going to make a difference. Both men running for office plan to do the same thing no matter whose plan gets implemented. The U.S. is bankrupt finanicially because the nation is bankrupt spiritually.

Only Jesus can protect the poor in spirit from the foolishness of men.

In Christ
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2004/10/15 10:41Profile
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Hmmmm brother Jeff ...

Wonder how long it'll be before the Church loses it's tax exemption behind desperately needed revenue? ...

Wall daubers beware!

These are exciting times?

 2004/10/15 10:47Profile
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I've been reading in Ezekiel this week. The nation of Israel was condemned for having adulterous affairs with it's neighbors. The list of nations included Egypt "your very fleshly neighbor," the Phillistines, the Assyrians, and the "land of the [b]trader, Chaldea." [/b] Ezekiel 16.

Then God gives a parable speaking of the trust that Israel has in other nations. God declares that these nations will not save Israel. God speaks of a time where the captivity of israel will go to Babylon. "He cropped off its topmost young twig and carried it to a land of [b]trade;[/b] He set it in a city of [b]merchants." [/b] Ezekiel 17:4

We all know that there is a future Babylon which will be destroyed by God. Listen to the judgement of the future.

"And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise [b]anymore;[/b] merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and [b]bodies and souls of men.[/b] Revelations 18:11-13

Yesterday I saw a report on hospitals in the United States. They are producing live television programs of surgeries. The thought is to promote the hospital's expertise in surgery. They are advertising. Then this news event covered an event that spoke of a man in need of a kidney. He advertised his need on the internet. A man responded to the need and "donated" his kidney. He recieved 5000 dollars to cover his expenses. Then it was reported that this man had a warrant out for his arrest. He owed 8000 dollars in back child support.

The experts presented to its audience the ethical questions of selling body parts for money. I believe this is the ultimate manifestation of mechandizing. Meditate on where we are today in the idol worship of materialism.

These days are evil.

In Christ
Jeff


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A further thought on the mechants that are accused of selling the bodies and souls of men. The Scriptures say it will come to pass. There is nothing that will stop it. Now the question that I have, is what does it mean when the Scriptures speak of the merchants selling the bodies and souls of men?

I of course can't begin to fathom the full manifestation of this behavior, yet one is called to look for the signs of the season. I had another thought this morning. What if the manifestation covers the products of stem cell research?

Just another brick in the wall.

In Christ
Jeff


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Please note that I am not adding this to disparage the man, but to bring light to the ways of men. What is the means by which men seek to accomplish their dreams?

"By Russ Baker


Two years before 9/11, candidate Bush was already talking privately about attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer



Houston: Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.

“He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999,” said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. “It was on his mind. He said to me: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ And he said, ‘My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.’ He said, ‘If I have a chance to invade….if I had that much capital, I’m not going to waste it. I’m going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I’m going to have a successful presidency.”

Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father’s shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. “Suddenly, he’s at 91 percent in the polls, and he’d barely crawled out of the bunker.”

That President Bush and his advisers had Iraq on their minds long before weapons inspectors had finished their work – and long before alleged Iraqi ties with terrorists became a central rationale for war – has been raised elsewhere, including in a book based on recollections of former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill. However, Herskowitz was in a unique position to hear Bush’s unguarded and unfiltered views on Iraq, war and other matters – well before he became president.

In 1999, Herskowitz struck a deal with the campaign of George W. Bush about a ghost-written autobiography, which was ultimately titled A Charge to Keep : My Journey to the White House, and he and Bush signed a contract in which the two would split the proceeds. The publisher was William Morrow. Herskowitz was given unimpeded access to Bush, and the two met approximately 20 times so Bush could share his thoughts. Herskowitz began working on the book in May, 1999, and says that within two months he had completed and submitted some 10 chapters, with a remaining 4-6 chapters still on his computer. Herskowitz was replaced as Bush’s ghostwriter after Bush’s handlers concluded that the candidate’s views and life experiences were not being cast in a sufficiently positive light.

According to Herskowitz, who has authored more than 30 books, many of them jointly written autobiographies of famous Americans in politics, sports and media (including that of Reagan adviser Michael Deaver), Bush and his advisers were sold on the idea that it was difficult for a president to accomplish an electoral agenda without the record-high approval numbers that accompany successful if modest wars.

The revelations on Bush’s attitude toward Iraq emerged recently during two taped interviews of Herskowitz, which included a discussion of a variety of matters, including his continued closeness with the Bush family, indicated by his subsequent selection to pen an authorized biography of Bush’s grandfather, written and published last year with the assistance and blessing of the Bush family.

Herskowitz also revealed the following:

-In 2003, Bush’s father indicated to him that he disagreed with his son’s invasion of Iraq.

-Bush admitted that he failed to fulfill his Vietnam-era domestic National Guard service obligation, but claimed that he had been “excused.”

-Bush revealed that after he left his Texas National Guard unit in 1972 under murky circumstances, he never piloted a plane again. That casts doubt on the carefully-choreographed moment of Bush emerging in pilot’s garb from a jet on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln in 2003 to celebrate “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq. The image, instantly telegraphed around the globe, and subsequent hazy White House statements about his capacity in the cockpit, created the impression that a heroic Bush had played a role in landing the craft.

-Bush described his own business ventures as “floundering” before campaign officials insisted on recasting them in a positive light.

Throughout the interviews for this article and in subsequent conversations, Herskowitz indicated he was conflicted over revealing information provided by a family with which he has longtime connections, and by how his candor could comport with the undefined operating principles of the as-told-to genre. Well after the interviews—in which he expressed consternation that Bush’s true views, experience and basic essence had eluded the American people —Herskowitz communicated growing concern about the consequences for himself of the publication of his remarks, and said that he had been under the impression he would not be quoted by name. However, when conversations began, it was made clear to him that the material was intended for publication and attribution. A tape recorder was present and visible at all times.

Several people who know Herskowitz well addressed his character and the veracity of his recollections. “I don’t know anybody that’s ever said a bad word about Mickey,” said Barry Silverman, a well-known Houston executive and civic figure who worked with him on another book project. An informal survey of Texas journalists turned up uniform confidence that Herskowitz’s account as contained in this article could be considered accurate.

One noted Texas journalist who spoke with Herskowitz about the book in 1999 recalls how the author mentioned to him at the time that Bush had revealed things the campaign found embarrassing and did not want in print. He requested anonymity because of the political climate in the state. “I can’t go near this,” he said.

According to Herskowitz, George W. Bush’s beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House – ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. “Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade.”

Bush’s circle of pre-election advisers had a fixation on the political capital that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher collected from the Falklands War. Said Herskowitz: “They were just absolutely blown away, just enthralled by the scenes of the troops coming back, of the boats, people throwing flowers at [Thatcher] and her getting these standing ovations in Parliament and making these magnificent speeches.”

Republicans, Herskowitz said, felt that Jimmy Carter’s political downfall could be attributed largely to his failure to wage a war. He noted that President Reagan and President Bush’s father himself had (besides the narrowly-focused Gulf War I) successfully waged limited wars against tiny opponents – Grenada and Panama – and gained politically. But there were successful small wars, and then there were quagmires, and apparently George H.W. Bush and his son did not see eye to eye.

“I know [Bush senior] would not admit this now, but he was opposed to it. I asked him if he had talked to W about invading Iraq. “He said, ‘No I haven’t, and I won’t, but Brent [Scowcroft] has.’ Brent would not have talked to him without the old man’s okaying it.” Scowcroft, national security adviser in the elder Bush’s administration, penned a highly publicized warning to George W. Bush about the perils of an invasion.

Herskowitz’s revelations are not the sole indicator of Bush’s pre-election thinking on Iraq. In December 1999, some six months after his talks with Herskowitz, Bush surprised veteran political chroniclers, including the Boston Globe’s David Nyhan, with his blunt pronouncements about Saddam at a six-way New Hampshire primary event that got little notice: “It was a gaffe-free evening for the rookie front-runner, till he was asked about Saddam’s weapons stash,” wrote Nyhan. ‘I’d take ‘em out,’ [Bush] grinned cavalierly, ‘take out the weapons of mass destruction…I’m surprised he’s still there,” said Bush of the despot who remains in power after losing the Gulf War to Bush Jr.’s father…It remains to be seen if that offhand declaration of war was just Texas talk, a sort of locker room braggadocio, or whether it was Bush’s first big clinker. ”

The notion that President Bush held unrealistic or naïve views about the consequences of war was further advanced recently by a Bush supporter, the evangelist Pat Robertson, who revealed that Bush had told him the Iraq invasion would yield no casualties. In addition, in recent days, high-ranking US military officials have complained that the White House did not provide them with adequate resources for the task at hand.

Herskowitz considers himself a friend of the Bush family, and has been a guest at the family vacation home in Kennebunkport. In the late 1960s, Herskowitz, a longtime Houston Chronicle sports columnist designated President Bush’s father, then-Congressman George HW Bush, to replace him as a guest columnist, and the two have remained close since then. (Herskowitz was suspended briefly in April without pay for reusing material from one of his own columns, about legendary UCLA basketball coach John Wooden.)

In 1999, when Herskowitz turned in his chapters for Charge to Keep, Bush’s staff expressed displeasure —often over Herskowitz’s use of language provided by Bush himself. In a chapter on the oil business, Herskowitz included Bush’s own words to describe the Texan’s unprofitable business ventures, writing: “the companies were floundering”. “I got a call from one of the campaign lawyers, he was kind of angry, and he said, ‘You’ve got some wrong information.’ I didn’t bother to say, ‘Well you know where it came from.’ [The lawyer] said, ‘We do not consider that the governor struggled or floundered in the oil business. We consider him a successful oilman who started up at least two new businesses.’ ”

In the end, campaign officials decided not to go with Herskowitz’s account, and, moreover, demanded everything back. “The lawyer called me and said, ‘Delete it. Shred it. Just do it.’ ”

“They took it and [communications director] Karen [Hughes] rewrote it,” he said. A campaign official arrived at his home at seven a.m. on a Monday morning and took his notes and computer files. However, Herskowitz, who is known for his memory of anecdotes from his long history in journalism and book publishing, says he is confident about his recollections.

According to Herskowitz, Bush was reluctant to discuss his time in the Texas Air National Guard – and inconsistent when he did so. Bush, he said, provided conflicting explanations of how he came to bypass a waiting list and obtain a coveted Guard slot as a domestic alternative to being sent to Vietnam. Herskowitz also said that Bush told him that after transferring from his Texas Guard unit two-thirds through his six-year military obligation to work on an Alabama political campaign, he did not attend any Alabama National Guard drills at all, because he was “excused.” This directly contradicts his public statements that he participated in obligatory training with the Alabama National Guard. Bush’s claim to have fulfilled his military duty has been subject to intense scrutiny; he has insisted in the past that he did show up for monthly drills in Alabama – though commanding officers say they never saw him, and no Guardsmen have come forward to accept substantial “rewards” for anyone who can claim to have seen Bush on base.

Herskowitz said he asked Bush if he ever flew a plane again after leaving the Texas Air National Guard in 1972 – which was two years prior to his contractual obligation to fly jets was due to expire. He said Bush told him he never flew any plane – military or civilian – again. That would contradict published accounts in which Bush talks about his days in 1973 working with inner-city children, when he claimed to have taken some of the children up in a plane.

In 2002, three years after he had been pulled off the George W. Bush biography, Herskowitz was asked by Bush’s father to write a book about the current president’s grandfather, Prescott Bush, after getting a message that the senior Bush wanted to see him. “Former President Bush just handed it to me. We were sitting there one day, and I was visiting him there in his office…He said, ‘I wish somebody would do a book about my dad.’ ”

“He said to me, ‘I know this has been a disappointing time for you, but it’s amazing how many times something good will come out of it.’ I passed it on to my agent, he jumped all over it. I asked [Bush senior], ‘Would you support it and would you give me access to the rest of family?’ He said yes.”

That book, Duty, Honor, Country: The Life and Legacy of Prescott Bush, was published in 2003 by Routledge. If anything, the book has been criticized for its over-reliance on the Bush family’s perspective and rosy interpretation of events. Herskowitz himself is considered the ultimate “as-told-to” author, lending credibility to his account of what George W. Bush told him. Herskowitz’s other books run the gamut of public figures, and include the memoirs of Reagan aide Deaver, former Texas Governor and Nixon Treasury Secretary John Connally, newsman Dan Rather, astronaut Walter Cunningham, and baseball greats Mickey Mantle and Nolan Ryan.

After Herskowitz was pulled from the Bush book project, the biographer learned that a scenario was being prepared to explain his departure. “I got a phone call from someone in the Bush campaign, confidentially, saying ‘Watch your back.’ ”

Reporters covering Bush say that when they inquired as to why Herskowitz was no longer on the project, Hughes intimated that Herskowitz had personal habits that interfered with his writing – a claim Herskowitz said is unfounded. Later, the campaign put out the word that Herskowitz had been removed for missing a deadline. Hughes subsequently finished the book herself – it received largely critical reviews for its self-serving qualities and lack of spontaneity or introspection.

So, said Herskowitz, the best material was left on the cutting room floor, including Bush’s true feelings.

“He told me that as a leader, you can never admit to a mistake,” Herskowitz said. “That was one of the keys to being a leader.”

Research support for this article was provided by the Investigative Fund of The Nation Institute.

Russ Baker is an award-winning independent journalist who has been published in The New York Times, The Nation, Washington Post, The Telegraph (UK), Sydney Morning-Herald, and Der Spiegel, among many others.


What do men lust after in this world?

In Christ
Jeff





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Jeff Marshalek

 2004/10/30 12:51Profile
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Russ Baker is an award-winning independent journalist who has been published in The New York Times, The Nation, Washington Post, The Telegraph (UK), Sydney Morning-Herald, and Der Spiegel, among many others.



And also extremely biased.
(A stop by his site would only confirm that, but guard your eyes if you are not fond of some of the magazine's he links there.)

I know that is part of the article and not your comment, but still, the timing of this cast's it in the ever growing rhetoric and agenda pile regardless if there is any truth to it or not. This whole process stinks the way it is conducted anymore, like one long playground argument without any real substance. Shouldn't really surprise anyone I guess.

Here is the most balanced coverage I have seen yet: [url=www.slapthecandidate.com] From The Hands Of The People[/url]

It takes awhile to load, it must be getting a lot of traffic, but it's worth the wait.


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Br. Mike wrote:

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but still, the timing of this cast's it in the ever growing rhetoric and agenda pile regardless if there is any truth to it or not. This whole process stinks the way it is conducted anymore, like one long playground argument without any real substance. Shouldn't really surprise anyone I guess.



Your point is well taken. Part of this thread has to do with the promotion of propaganda. What is the truth?

I once shared in your feelings, (this whole process stinks). That was a time when I couldn't understand all the injustice of this world. Then the doctrine of total depravity took hold of me. That revelation set me free from the boiling seas of humanity. I am sorry for adding to the fire. But another brother spent time stiring the boiling pot until the pot boiled over. Since then, I seek to drive people to the pilgrimage that the writer of Psalm 119 speaks of.

18 Open my eyes, that I may see
Wondrous things from Your law.
19 I am a stranger in the earth;
Do not hide Your commandments from me.

45 And I will walk at liberty,
For I seek Your precepts.
46 I will speak of Your testimonies also before kings,
And will not be ashamed.

53 Indignation has taken hold of me
Because of the wicked, who forsake Your law.
54 Your statutes have been my songs
In the house of my pilgrimage.

Our souls will always be troubled by the world, dwell in His house.

God Bless
Jeff


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Hey Jeff,

Definitely following your train of thought throughout this thread, which has grown to include a plethora of food to chew on, not that it all tastes good ;-)

Partially my response is/was related to those who may have come along late in the process here.
But more so it really is along the same lines. What is truth?

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once shared in your feelings, (this whole process stinks). That was a time when I couldn't understand all the injustice of this world. Then the doctrine of total depravity took hold of me. That revelation set me free from the boiling seas of humanity. I am sorry for adding to the fire. But another brother spent time stiring the boiling pot until the pot boiled over. Since then, I seek to drive people to the pilgrimage that the writer of Psalm 119 speaks of.



Again, certainly understand what is back of all this and am neither surprised nor overtly frustrated, so no, I don't see this as adding to the fire so to speak.

I guess if anything that is frustrating is that a large portion of the church has let others do their thinking for them. The sense of going with the flow without questioning the logic, ramifications and motivation behind what is being said from all sides, sweeping under the rug or hurrying past issues that make us uncomfortable and thus burying it in a mountain of rhetoric.

But if this is the point that is being made, namely as you stated, to drive people to dwell in The House of The Lord where the only true help is, then the point is well taken. On the other hand, this article for all it's talk of being honest only leaves one with an impression of it being sincere on the surface, much like everything else being bandied about and sadly that is where most people will stop, even Christians.

No sense in getting all bent out of shape over what we should come to expect in this area and yet we do have to deal with it. Was in the process of filling out my absentee ballot when this came up and even at the local level sorting through the chaff is ridiculous. The cleverness of introverted word-smithing to make propositions sound one way while the meaning is opposite or co-joined to something previous or yet future or dosen't even address the root issue at all.(A good case in point would be the gambling props out here).Much more could be said. Propaganda run amok.

Here is another perspective:

[url=http://www.peroutka2004.com/schedule/index.php?action=eventview&event_id=252]Why Voting for a Third Party Candidate is NOT Throwing Your Vote Away[/url]

"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion." Psa 2:1-6


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Br. Mike wrote:

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I guess if anything that is frustrating is that a large portion of the church has let others do their thinking for them. The sense of going with the flow without questioning the logic, ramifications and motivation behind what is being said from all sides, sweeping under the rug or hurrying past issues that make us uncomfortable and thus burying it in a mountain of rhetoric.



We have all been influenced by the rhetoric surrounding us. This precept started when the serpent approached Eve. Look at the result of that exchange of views.

We too are like Eve or Adam. One was deceived the other just went along for the ride. Only the love of the truth will overcome the deception of our time.

God Bless

In Christ
Jeff


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Bro. Jeff,

Did i ever supply you this link before ... i can't remember ...

THE NEO-CONS
http://shockingelk.com/text/neoconservative/

And i think this may interest you also ...

T.R. Reid: Europe, The New Superpower
http://freshair.npr.org/day_fa.jhtml?todayDate=11/02/2004


God's Will is Done ... Pres. Bush Remains America's Leader...
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3595&forum=35

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