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Rahman
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Brother Jeff you posted;

--- Jimmy Carter verified the election process that took place. Yet the American government has not recognized Chavez's victory. How does this action reconcile with our professed beliefs in God's will over the nations? ---

To me it reconciles that thank God, the will of God is not predicated on what we men believe or not believe, discount or validate ... satan in his multiple attempts, and man in his usually singular attempts, both try to outwit the will of God, but it's so impossible, for our God can play the cosmic chess game with satan, and all of the men past, present and future, toward the outcome of the game that He already has checkmated, and still run the intire universe without even thinking about it ...

i'd rather be a pawn on our God's side, than a king on satans ... Our God has it all under control, satan, his fallen commrades, and his demons already know this, which is why they all work so hard to keep mankind from this awareness ...It's man that seems to be the total fool in all this, thank God that were saved, and God forgive us that we don't tell others, whether they believe it or not.

 2004/8/17 13:21Profile
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In addition to Brother Rahman's post:

"Back to Jerusalem" by Paul Hattaway pg 57

In the testimony of Brother Yun I found this thought.

"But that is not the only training they have received. (Back to Jerusalem missionaries) The past fifty years of suffering, persecution, and torture of the house churches in China were all part of God's training for us. He has used the government for his own purposes, molding and shaping his children as he sees fit. This is why I correct Western Christians who tell me:[b]"I have been praying for years that the Communist government in China will collapse, so Christians can live in freedom."[/b] This is not what we pray! We never pray against our government or call down curses on it. Instead, we have learned that God is in control of both our lives and the government we live under. Isaiah prophesied about Jesus, "the government will be on his shoulders" (Isa. 9:6). Instead of focusing our prayers against any political system, we pray that regardless of what happens to us, we will be pleasing to God.

Don't pray for the persecution to stop! We shouldn't pray for a lighter load to carry, but a stronger back to endure! Then the world will see that God is with us, empowering us to live in a way that reflects his love and power.

This is true freedom!"

Brother Art Katz says basically the same thing. (paraphrase) Why would the Jews be jealous of the Christianity we have. God says that there will come a time when the Jews become jealous of our relationship with God.

Do you see the difference in these brothers?

In Chris
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2004/8/17 15:36Profile
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From another post:

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Vice President Dick Cheney, whose oldest daughter is a lesbian, said Tuesday he believed that decisions about same-sex marriages should be left to the states, contending that "freedom means freedom for everyone."

Despite his personal view, he added, President Bush is his boss, and Bush favors an amendment to the Constitution banning such marriages. "The president makes policy for the administration," Cheney said.

His comments came in response to a question during an invitation-only town hall meeting in Davenport.

Cheney's remarks were his first this year on the gay marriage issue while campaigning.

Religious conservatives, a key part of the Republican coalition, strongly support a federal ban on same-sex marriage. But recent Senate debate on the issue showed that it is a divisive subject among GOP lawmakers. Cheney's view represents a rare break by him from the party's conservative base.

"Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it's an issue that our family is very familiar with," Cheney said Tuesday. "With respect to the question of relationships, my general view is that freedom means freedom for everyone. People ... ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to.



Jesus' promise to man, He will free us from the bondage of sin. Man preaches another kind of freedom.

"Let us break Their bonds in pieces and cast away Their cords from us." Psalm 2:3

What freedom do we seek?

In Christ
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2004/8/25 15:38Profile
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I've started researching Nazism. Here is what occurred in a small town in Germany around 1933. The name of the town is Northeim. The information is taken from, The New Order, The Third Reich/Time-Life Books.

"The nazification of Northeim did not take that long. By May 1933, one-fifth of the town's adults, 1200 people, had joined the party. Not everyone joined voluntarily or for motives of personal advancement. Some, such as Otto von Schulenberg, the county prefect, had little choice. The Nazi county leader, Walter Steineck, threw a swastika pin on Schenlenberg's desk and said, "Put that on! If you don't, you won't be prefect tomorrow." Others were pressured, less bluntly but just as effectively, by their own families. One resident remembered wives "who actually went out and bought a brown shirt and put their men into it." (page 34)

(page 40)

"Meanwhile, the process of nazification extended to Northeim's every nook. The railroad unions, civil servants' society, craft guilds, and shooting and sports clubs, as well as the organizations of doctors, dentists, and teachers, immediately became targets. Each was taken over by the Nazis or replaced by a parallel Nazi organization and then forced to dissolve. Surviving organizations all had the prefix "National Socialist" added to their names. Even the local Lutherans, confident that their support of the Nazis would bring rewards, found instead that the Nazis intended to take over the churches. The Nazis set out to win Lutheran elective offices and urged the church elders to join the German Christian Movement, a pro-Nazi infiltration group. Even the public library was nazified when 500 volumes of "worthless literary trash" were burned.

The people in Northeim who were not converted or neutralized by nazification were usually subjected to terror. In April, a four-day boycott of the town's Jewish businesses was announced as retaliation against "international Jewry" for "slandering" Germany. The action notified astonished Northeimers that while the Nazis had soft-pedaled their anti-Semitism during the election campaigns, they had no intention of doing so now. Once the point was made, most of the town's 120 Jews submitted to their new role as second-class citizens. And signs appeared in non-Jewish stores that read, "Purely Christian Family Enterprise" and German Merchant." Later, the signs declared, "Jews not admitted."

I imagine that these times will be repeated once again. What Scripture do these events bring to mind?

In Christ
Jeff


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Joseph Goebbels developed the science of propaganda to new heights during the reign of the Third Reich. This quote is taken from the same book, page 54.

"Although Hitler was the true genius of Nazi propaganda, he delegated day-to-day authority for its dissemination to the gifted disciple who liked to be called "Herr Doktor"--Paul Joseph Goebbels. An energetic little man who stood scarcely five feet tall and weighed just a bit more than 100 pounds, Goebbels had big eyes, a diabolical grin, and a talent for distortion, half-truths, and outright prevarication. For the benefit of future propagandists, Goebbels cynically summed up the essence of his craft; "Any lie, frequently repeated, will gradually gain acceptance."

end of quote

Do you see the influence of satan in his life? Do you see any manifestations of this "craft" in the world leader today?

Will not satan manifest himself again like that of the Nazis of 70 years ago?

In Christ
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2004/8/31 15:37Profile
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Rev.13
[1] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.


- ANTIOCHUS EPIPAHANES
- ADOLF HITLER
- 666 (ANTI-CHRIST) ???

 2004/8/31 17:35Profile
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Quote:

Rahman wrote:

- ANTIOCHUS EPIPAHANES
- ADOLF HITLER
- 666 (ANTI-CHRIST) ???



Huh???


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Aaron Ireland

 2004/9/1 8:43Profile
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Sorry Brother Aaron,

i just posted this in thought to Brother Jeff's post about Nazi "propaganda" and his subsequent questions ...


Quote;
Do you see the influence of satan in his life? Do you see any manifestations of this "craft" in the world leader today?

Will not satan manifest himself again like that of the Nazis of 70 years ago?


And i thought to myself yes satan will manifest himself at least one more (final) time, in another, far superior jew hating propagandist, and great orator of lies and blasphemies, namely the anti-christ ...

In my research of history there has only been two other men who stand out in their extreme hatred of the jews, and their religion, on the par of the coming anti-christ, and that's....

- ANTIOCHUS EPIPAHANES & ADOLF HITLER

Both of this guys were strange charasmatic men, as most satanic, demon influenced/possessed instruments of power are ...

Most of us know of Adolf ... here's some scoop on Antiochus (Daniel's forerunner of the Revelations anti-christ) ...


Antiochus IV Epiphanes, Template of the Beast
http://goodnewsandprophecy.org/footnote_antiochus.htm


Dan.7
[7] After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
[8] I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan.8
[8] Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
[9] And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
[10] And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
[11] Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
[12] And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
[13] Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
[14] And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 2004/9/1 9:14Profile
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During the 1920"s and 30"s the common German people lived under the repression of the world because of WW1. During this time the people suffered from the depression that affected most of the world. These people were looking for a savior. Again listen to the words found on page 57 of the book I have been quoting from.

"Encouraged by Hitler's tutelage and driven by the need to revive the fractious, anemic party organization in Berlin, Goebbels blossomed into a tireless and inventive propagandist. He developed eye-catching poster, published simple pamphlets with such titles as The Little ABCs for National Socialists, and started a Nazi weekly newspaper, Der Angriff (The Attack), that specialized in vicious caricatures of Jews and Marxists. He provoked brawls with communists and then propped up his own wounded and heavily bandaged Storm Troopers to show them off as martyrs at party rallies. He disrupted the premiere of the American made antiwar film All Quiet on the Western Front by releasing white mice and harmless snakes in the theater. He made a heroic myth of the sordid story of Horst Wessel, a young Storm Trooper who had been killed by a communist--the former suitor of Wessel's prostitute girlfriend. And he elevated a primitive marching song written by Wessel into the anthem of the Nazi movement. No propaganda was "too crude, too low, too brutal," Goebbels announced, as long as it was successful in getting attention or winning converts. "[b]The people want to be bamboozled."[/b]

In 1930, Hitler promoted Goebbels to party propaganda chief, a post the Fuhrer himself had been filling. While retaining the job as party leader of Berlin, Goebbels took a prominent role in subsequent Nazi election campaigns, nurturing the myth of Hitler [b]as a messianic redeemer[/b]
who would save Germany from the Jews and Marxists. Goebbels eventually expressed this myth in terms of an ear-catching [b]trinity: ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer, one people, one nation, one leader."[/b]

end of quote

Many believe that Nazism and Facism are movements of the past. I believe that we are witnessing the seeds of these movements again. Remember Goebbels said the people wanted to be bamboozled. What events will lead the sea of humanity back to looking for a savior?

In Christ
Jeff


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 2004/9/1 13:10Profile
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Quote;
In 1930, Hitler promoted Goebbels to party propaganda chief, a post the Fuhrer himself had been filling. While retaining the job as party leader of Berlin, Goebbels took a prominent role in subsequent Nazi election campaigns, nurturing the myth of Hitler as a messianic redeemer


Hitler, as will anti-christ had his own personal false prophet, Goebbels ... Interesting that as with Hitler anti-christ will come onto the world scene first, then will later aquire his propaganda minister/false prophet ...


Rev.16
[13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Rev.19
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


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What events will lead the sea of humanity back to looking for a savior?


i believe it will be the dire events that will escalate even further toward WWIII, and that just prior, or even a little space after it's onset, the globe will be ripe for the man with the answer, and anti-christ will initially have that answer to peace, and because of it the world will hail him as messiah, and prince of peace ... An American loss in Iraq could very well be the precursor to such a downward spiral ...

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