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Jeremiah 2:12-14 Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the LORD. For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. Is Israel a servant? is he a homeborn slave? why is he spoiled?

The pagan are guilty of but one sin - idolatry; the covenant-people commit two - they abandon the true God; they serve idols.

This is Jehovah God Israel speaking, not the Son. The Son is of the Father and He has living water also for those that believe that He, Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that is born again in us unto living water and the Spirit of Christ in us, who has baptized us into the Holy Spirit that our soul might know that we are son's of the living God, who has both birthed Jesus His only begotten Son and rebirthed us as son's by His Seed Incorruptable by an act of the epitome of Love.

We have a new life, being a new creature, that nobody had before the Cross. We have the whole God head in us, by the birthing of the Son and The Holy Spirit promised and the Spirit of God our progenitor of the Seed making us new creatures in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

In Christ a new creature that none had been before the Cross:

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Brother Phillip wrote:

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that is born again in us unto living water and the Spirit of Christ in us, who has baptized us into the Holy Spirit that our soul might know that we are son's of the living God, who has both birthed Jesus His only begotten Son and rebirthed us as son's by His Seed Incorruptable by an act of the epitome of Love.



1Pet. 1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

According to Peter we are born of the incorruptible seed, through the word of God which lives and abides forever...

Let me ask this question then, will one who is born of the incorruptible seed, THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD, then experience the precepts, statutes, commandments, judgements, which are found in the book of Psalms? Will the experiences spoken of in the Psalms be of any value to you?

How about the book of Proverbs,,,will these words be of any value to you?

How about the book of Song of Songs?

Will one who is a Co-heir with Christ learn anything from these Scriptures?

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The word of Christ , is the good news of his salvation, not all the bible, the word {scriptures] is used for the old testament, which only a few first century saints had access to, they relied on the spirit, fellowship, and the apostles teaching.

love in Christ tom

P.S. I wonder if little children could understand this gospel?


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The word of Christ , is the good news of his salvation, not all the bible,



1Pet. 1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

I do not know if you were actually speaking to what this verse declares...

The incorruptible seed finds it's life, through the word of God...it doesn't say the word of Christ...

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the word {scriptures] is used for the old testament, which only a few first century saints had access to, they relied on the spirit, fellowship, and the apostles teaching.



I don't believe the NT teaches this...

You see, where Paul went, he first went to the jews to preach the gospel. Because of the dispersion of the jewish people thoughtout the known world at that time, the OT was present in all the locations where Paul founded churches....

Here is an example...

Acts 17:10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

What Scriptures does Paul point to when he teaches the Corinthians, Romans, Ephesians?

What Scriptures does John point to in Revelation?

You see, one is born again, as a child, a babe in Christ... but to grow into maturity one must feed on the meat that is contained within the Scriptures. The writer of Hebrews points this out to the congregation. He was refering to the OT wasn't he?

In Christ
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Earlier in this thread the topic of "carnal christian" came up. Here is an insightful sermon on this topic. The sermon is found on the "Charity Christian Fellowship" church tape minsitry. This sermon was a teaching given during a youth bible study conference. Two of it's preachers are scheduled to preach at the upcoming Revival Conference...

http://www.charityministries.org/audio/3742.mp3

In Christ
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1Pet. 1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,


"The Word of God"

How can words live? The bible is the Word of God. They are just words without the Holy Spirit which gives them revelation about Christ.

If you check our the word, "Word" you will see that this one in 1:23 is the same word in John 1, where the Word is Christ. This is the Seed of Christ birthed in us by the Father, we are Born Again of this Incorruptable Seed.

This Word is Logos: Strong's Greek Dictionary
3056. logos
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logoV logos log'-os
from 3004; something said (including the thought); by implication, a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension, a computation; specially, (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ):--account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say(-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.

(I.E. Christ) John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God , and the Word was God . The same was in the beginning with God . All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made . In him was life ; and the life was the light of men .

"Word" Logos, same word as in 1 Peter 1:23
This is not the written word it is the Word of God Himself, Jesus Christ, that is who we are born again with His Incorruptable Seed of the Father as with Mary.

1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever . And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you .

This word is Rhema, Strong's Greek Dictionary
4487. rhema
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rhma rhema hray'-mah
from 4483; an utterance (individually, collectively or specially),; by implication, a matter or topic (especially of narration, command or dispute); with a negative naught whatever:--+ evil, + nothing, saying, word.

This is the written word the Holy Spirit uses to teach us who Jesus Christ in us is. John 14:16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

This is the written words the Holy Spirit will reveal to us in 1 Peter 1:25, not the living Word Himself.

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How can words live? The bible is the Word of God. They are just words without the Holy Spirit which gives them revelation about Christ.



Listen to what Scripture teaches us...


Luke 24:32 And they said to one another, “Did not our heart burn within us while He talked with us on the road, and while He opened the Scriptures to us?”

You are absolutely correct...The Scriptures plus the Holy Spirit...without either there is no life...

Paul teaches Timothy...

15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2Tim. 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

What does it mean when Paul writes that the Holy Scriptures, "are able to make you wise for salvation"?

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""""""2Tim. 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

What does it mean when Paul writes that the Holy Scriptures, "are able to make you wise for salvation"?""""""




""""2Tim. 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.""""

Yes and also:

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Hear again, "For the Word of God" the Logos of God Jesus Christ Himself. In Him by the Holy Spirit we are divided asunder, by Christ now our Spirit and the Holy Spirit in our soul mind dividing us even to the Joints and Marrow, body, which is quickened contain the God Head in us, by rebirth of the Son of God in us.

And::: 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The Holy Spirit came to convict of sin, also to draw the sinner to Christ and then teach us about this Christ that is in us.

We have an unction, that is to keep what God has given us in Christ Jesus, a whole new Gospel, sent and revealed to Paul. Follow him as he follows Christ.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

1 John 2:20-29 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. ((not old testament, but from Paul's beginning of "my gospel"))If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

(( Added by me ))

Then:
John 16:7-15 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Has The Holy Spirit shown it unto you?

That is "Christ in you the Hope of Glory".

In Christ: Phillip


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The Gospel

"There is no greater message to be heard than that which we call the Gospel. But as important as that is, it is often given to massive distortions or over simplifications. People think they’re preaching the Gospel to you when they tell you, 'you can have a purpose to your life', or that 'you can have meaning to your life', or that 'you can have a personal relationship with Jesus.' All of those things are true, and they’re all important, but they don’t get to the heart of the Gospel.

The Gospel is called the 'good news' because it addresses the most serious problem that you and I have as human beings, and that problem is simply this: God is holy and He is just, and I’m not. And at the end of my life, I’m going to stand before a just and holy God, and I’ll be judged. And I’ll be judged either on the basis of my own righteousness – or lack of it – or the righteousness of another. The good news of the Gospel is that Jesus lived a life of perfect righteousness, of perfect obedience to God, not for His own well being but for His people. He has done for me what I couldn’t possibly do for myself. But not only has He lived that life of perfect obedience, He offered Himself as a perfect sacrifice to satisfy the justice and the righteousness of God.

The great misconception in our day is this: that God isn’t concerned to protect His own integrity. He’s a kind of wishy-washy deity, who just waves a wand of forgiveness over everybody. No. For God to forgive you is a very costly matter. It cost the sacrifice of His own Son. So valuable was that sacrifice that God pronounced it valuable by raising Him from the dead – so that Christ died for us, He was raised for our justification. So the Gospel is something objective. It is the message of who Jesus is and what He did. And it also has a subjective dimension. How are the benefits of Jesus subjectively appropriated to us? How do I get it? The Bible makes it clear that we are justified not by our works, not by our efforts, not by our deeds, but by faith – and by faith alone. The only way you can receive the benefit of Christ’s life and death is by putting your trust in Him – and in Him alone. You do that, you’re declared just by God, you’re adopted into His family, you’re forgiven of all of your sins, and you have begun your pilgrimage for eternity."

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""How are the benefits of Jesus subjectively appropriated to us? How do I get it? The Bible makes it clear that we are justified not by our works, not by our efforts, not by our deeds, but by faith – and by faith alone. The only way you can receive the benefit of Christ’s life and death is by putting your trust in Him – and in Him alone. You do that, you’re declared just by God, you’re adopted into His family, you’re forgiven of all of your sins, and you have begun your pilgrimage for eternity.""

Amen, and now that we have Christ in us, by us presenting our bodies a living sacrifice, His works become our works, the only works that God can accept, in Christ being the only perfect sacrifice that God see's in us. Born Again, a New Creature.

I know this is a lot of scripture, but the rule of presenting our bodies a living sacrifice is: Now all Israel will be saved the same way, that is not every Jew, but all that are saved will be saved in the same way, be they Jew or Gentile. All that follows are because God in Christ Jesus was reconciling the world to Himself. Let our works reflect and be the works of God in Christ Jesus through our bodies presented to God, which is only our spiritual service. In other words, the least we can do. I am His, He is mine.

Romans 11:1-36 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Romans 12:1-21 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness. Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

57 verses only, what a blessing. Amen, not over but praising God always.

In Christ: Phillip


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