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MrBillPro
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And in this corner weighing in at () is FOC the reigning heavy weight champion of the Marriage, Divorce, and ReMarriage.. Toward a Biblical Perspective thread, and over here in this corner we have the contender "Sealed" weighing in at () Gentleman or Gentle Women you should protect yourselves all the times during the debate and always use nice words that edify, Build up,
and encourage, let there be no words that are unwholesome, offensive, useless, worthless or unprofitable—fit for nothing but the trash heap, are you will be disqualified, now lets have a good debate and shall the best person be humbled, in Jesus name.

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 2006/5/13 18:21Profile









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I have always believed in the importance of context. The problem with your position is that you cause God to seem to contradict Himself, which cannot ever be put into context.


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an EXCEPTION by its very nature is a contradiction of the rules....get it yet, SE...."EXCEPT" in this case, these are the rules"....make sense?

but in your doctrine Jesus seemingly UNWITTINGLY contradicts himself by disallowing divorce for what you believe is illicit betrothal sex (due to your distortion), then He turns right around in Matt 19 and offers the very men He has just taken this supposed allowance from the very thing He has just supposedly removed....divorce for fornication.

this doctrine is a walking contradiction.


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Two contradictory statements will simply never conform to one another no matter what.


I believe we just covered this issue from 1 John.

and youre dead wrong.
Two contradictory statments CAN be in perfect agreement WHEN an EXCEPTION is in place giving allowance to the other.





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"Everyone" cannot be put in context with "not necessarily everyone."


"EVERYONE can go.... EXCEPT if the dishes arent done...then not necessarily everyone will go."

Sorry, youre simply wrong, SE.

There rest is now irrelevant.

 2006/5/13 18:24
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Jesus is saying that once a marriage covenant has been broken by one spouse, the other spouse is not bound to take the adulterer back into marriage union.



The covenant is until death, and not until adultery.

I Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

Romans 7:2-3 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

That's why Jesus says that "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery" (Luke 16:18,Mark 10:11) If there were any way to end a marriage other than death, then everyone who divorced and remarried couldn't be guilty of adultery.

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 2006/5/13 18:31Profile









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Jesus is saying that once a marriage covenant has been broken by one spouse, the other spouse is not bound to take the adulterer back into marriage union.



The covenant is until death, and not until adultery.

I Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

Romans 7:2-3 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

That's why Jesus says that "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery" (Luke 16:18,Mark 10:11) If there were any way to end a marriage other than death, then everyone who divorced and remarried couldn't be guilty of adultery.

Sealed




except for fornicatoin..whoredom....where the spouse is ALREADY an adulterer.

Does this add up yet?

Who is guilty of 'adultery' is those who put her away EXCEPT for fornication and remarry.

and youve yet to PROVE that this adultery is perpetual.

 2006/5/13 18:34
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Do you think that just because he or she is not an adulterer, God will not judge every other sin by whether they have been washed in the blood of the Lamb, now? Jesus died for every sin, including porneia and moicheia, but, He had not yet died when He was answering the Pharisees.



Jesus did not die to give anyone a license to practice adultery, in fact He said that those who do so are not His children, and cannot inherit His Kingdom.

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

I Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

You can be forgiven if you repent of your sin, which means to forsake it. Then He can regenerate your heart so that you will not practice sin anymore. If you continue to practice adultery, God's word says you are born of Him.

Sealed


 2006/5/13 18:38Profile









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Hi Sealed,

I think you misread your quote of me. I said

'Do you think that just because he or she is [b]not an adulterer[/b], God will not judge every other sin by whether they have been washed in the blood of the Lamb, now?'

I did not suggest there is licence for adultery. I suggested there is NOT licence for making an unfaithful spouse's life a misery (and other sins).

 2006/5/13 18:44
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OK. This is where you start to lose the plot, I believe. You say "These two sections of scripture, make it clear that divorce and remarriage are adultery, with one exception which is immorality or unchastity."

Actually, it is the other way round, and that's why much of what you (and others in the unconditional matrimony lobby) are confused. Jesus is saying that divorce and remarriage is NOT adultery, unless the divorced person - that is, not the Plaintif but the Respondent - remarries.



That's not what the text says at all. Jesus and the Pharisees both agree in these verses that it is the Moseic Law being discussed here. I explained in detail how these verses fit perfectly with the law. Your interpretation is contradictory to the Jewish law, and also is an obvious contradiction to similar statements made by Jesus in other Gospels, as well as several statements by Paul. You are tearing these verses out of context and contradicting much of the Bible in regard to marriage.

Sealed

 2006/5/13 18:46Profile









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You can be forgiven if you repent of your sin, which means to forsake it. Then He can regenerate your heart so that you will not practice sin anymore. If you continue to practice adultery, God's word says you are born of Him.

I believe you meant to say the Bible says you are NOT born of Him, if you continue to practise adultery (or fornication, homosexuality, or other sins).

 2006/5/13 18:48
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God Himself divorced Israel for committing spiritual adultery. Let us not forget that the whole concept of marriage is based on the union within the Godhead, and God's desire to prepare a wife for His Son.



He divorced Israel for spiritual immorality during the betrothal, which is why He made Deut 22 & 24 to begin with. Jesus says the Law of divorce was given due to the hardness of their hearts. Since they refused to soften their hearts to God, he made a New Covenant with the Church where he regenerates our hearts so that we desire to be faithful to Him.

Sealed

 2006/5/13 18:55Profile
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I believe you meant to say the Bible says you are NOT born of Him, if you continue to practise adultery (or fornication, homosexuality, or other sins).



Oops. You're correct. thanks.

 2006/5/13 18:57Profile





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