Luke 6:43 says, "A good tree can't produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can't produce good fruit. A tree is identified by its fruit".The fruit of IHOP is verrry good. Thousands of young adults are living nazarite lifestyles because of Mike Bickle, giving themselves to God's Word, fasting and praying, very likely-for you!Here is just one example of the fruit of his minisry from a twenty-something year old worship leader at IHOP: (Her name is Misty Edwards)- This is entitled "As In The Days of Noah" written by her, and a song called "Baptize My Heart": "Peter said for us to remember first that many scoffers would come in that Day saying, "Where is the promise of of His appearing? There will be false prophets saying, 'Peace and Safety'! when there is no peace as Jesus begins to shake everything that can be shaken. He said, "Blessed are those who are found watching and waiting." I believe that this is a generation like Noah who have heard of the coming storm and we are preparing a generation for the wave of delusion that is about to crash over the planet. O! That we would not be caught off guard! We must be preachers of righteousness who understand the times and the seasons and who do not get weary in the waiting for the return of Jesus. We must prepare the way! "Baptize My Heart"-words and music by Misty Edwards: "I can hear the song of the Creator as He sings over his creation-'I played the flute for you...Did you dance? I sang the wedding song over you...were you romanced? I played the funeral song and told you my judgments were coming...did you lament? For even children know when to dance! Even children know the sound of the wedding-even children know when to repent-at the sound of the funeral, they lament! Baptize my heart with your fire, Your desire I don't want to be offended when it's all coming down I pledge my allegiance to Jesus! (end)Bickle's fruit speaks for itself. Examine it for yourself-its good.(There's thousands more like her)You can go on thinking they're deceived, and they will go on, (and me too, as well as many others) crying out to God, and worshiping Jesus! (They're praying for you brothers, I wouldn't despise it)
i think one thing to remember is that fruit does not mean how many souls "accept Christ" or "come up for salvation". for even the pharisees "traveled land and see to make a convert (to judaism) and when they did, they made them twice the son of hell as they were". so "decisions" for Christ is not the ultimate criteria for judging fruit. from what i see in the word, our criteria is..* does it magnify Christ as our all in all? or is there still added on (you need Jesus and..)?* does it agree in all ways with the word? is it Truth? God's Truth and not man's truth??some of the prophets in the old testament did not have many converts (jeremiah, ezekiel), but that did not mean they weren't true prophets. even Jesus was left with just a few disciples when push came to shove. does that disqualify Him?? God forbid. all i am trying to show is that "decisions" are not a good criteria of fruit, but judge it all by the word.this is an exhortation to us all, but especially us younger guys (i am 26) who think that we have it all figured out. the older gentlemen on here have been through a lot of stuff that we haven't even thought of yet. it would be wise for us all to listen and really heed godly instruction and wisdom.. even if you disagree with it, please keep it before God in prayer.. just some thoughts.
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The fruit of IHOP is verrry good. Thousands of young adults are living nazarite lifestyles because of Mike Bickle, giving themselves to God's Word, fasting and praying, very likely-for you!
Ummmmm...Mormons are not born again by the Holy Spirit, and believe Jesus is Satan's brother (in their own doctrine). They also believe Jesus has already come back in spirit form back in the 1940's. I have yet to hear one example of false teaching coming from IHOP. Please discuss specific doctrines-not people.Krispy-with all due respect brother-you're wrong. :-) To find out exactly what IHOP believes, go to their website,its all there.http://www.ihop.org/Group/Group.aspx?id=14025
Well, there have been numerous links added to this discussion that do discuss the false teachings of these men... but you conveniently ignore them / dismiss them. You're not being intellectually honest, and it's impossible to discuss this with you when thats the attitude you have. In other words, no matter how much you say you are interested in what we have to say, and how much you say you respect us... you refuse to listen to anyone who disagrees with you. :-)Me? I've been on both sides. Been there, done that, wont go back.And I know very well what Mormons believe, and that was kinda my point... they do all the things you sited as proof of the worthiness of IHOP... yet they are as far from God as they can be. Krispy
Sorry Krispy-As far as your links and articles go-I have already responded to them. They are not current, and the information is incorrect now. But why would you believe me? Again, (sigh) IHOP themselves have already responded to accusations about them on their own website-and their doctrinal beliefs are listed there as well. Go to the source-not a second hand criticism. Their doctrine is solid. And IN NO WAY do Mormons practice what IHOP does.On a personal note, I can see how you would have such strong feeling about so many current movements, seeing what you've come through. Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Honestly, I can relate with that.I actually agree with some here that there is alot of false teaching out there. I've come through it myself. The WOF, prosperity, and some of the 'prophetic' stuff..But honestly, IHOP is not one of them. ok-God Bless you
I was reading this out of S.P. Tregelles book, "The Hope of Christ's Coming" yesterday and thought this would be a good quote to post on this thread for thought:[i]"But it must never be forgotten that holiness is not the only thing taught us respecting the Holy Ghost: He is the Spirit of Truth as well as the Holy Spirit of God; and the two things should be combined, and not set in contrast. We are not to accredit any supposed holiness irrespective of truth; we are not to regard truth as rightly held unless it be connected with holiness: and as truth is found in the revelation given in Holy Scripture, this must be our standard by which we must judge whatever professes to be either holiness, such as God would approve, or truth, that His people should accept."[/i] - Samuel Tregelles, 1864
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As far as your links and articles go-I have already responded to them. They are not current, and the information is incorrect now. But why would you believe me?
Check out the recent post from our Sermon Index moderator "Why I Left the Prophetic Movement" by Andrew Strom. Explains all!!
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