The thing that most disturbs me about the prophetic movement is the lack of reality and desire for the truth manifest in this movement. And such is why prophets can continually "miss it" and not be personally disturbed in the depth of their own soul that they dare prophesied something falsely, and such is also why people flock to them in droves. In general, they want to play the game too. For if truth and reality were the burning hunger of many people involved in this movement, they would not allow "missed words" to so simply swept under the carpet as if they never even were given to begin with. So to me, I care not how many people they've reportedly brought to Christ, or how many people they've led in fasting and prayer. Such are great things. But, Jimmy Swaggart was having such an amazing blessing in his ministry even though he was whoring around town. Bad behavior is still bad behavior, and it does not justify the good behavior. But, because many are simply playing games within the prophetic movement, such bad behavior is simply overlooked. And such is exactly what happened with Jimmy Swaggart. As you know, many people continued to support Swaggart even after his fall. Shoot, even after his own fall Swaggart kept acting like nothing ever happened. He was full of pride even after all his public exposure, and is still full of pride even today. Oh, sure, he still continues to see a blessing. But so what? The issues of truth and reality have long departed from Swaggart. I'm continue to be saddened at those of you who continue to support many of these men. I don't know all the names of all the people, as I've not actively followed, studied and participated in the prophetic movement for a while. So, I cannot offer a blanket condemnation of everyone of them. However, as the old saying goes, birds of the same feather flock together. Therefore, when I see men whom I don't know, associating with some of these better known men whom I have known of... then I'm worried that they participate in the same thing. Of course, we can't automatically ascribe guilt simply for being associated with them. Each individual must be judged on a case by case basis. But without a doubt, I automatically am concerned with such associations. All I can say in my own personal testimony is that there was time in my life where I was following this movement, and attempting to flow in the prophetic in ways which were taught. But the Lord quickly showed me if I continued to follow such ministers, I would be false just like them. Indeed, the Lord has done such a work in me to show me that many of these men simply had no clue whatsoever about true prophetic ministry, as most of what they said simply was not based on the Scriptures. Indeed, a true depth of understanding from the Scriptures is almost entirely lacking in the prophetic movement today.
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Compton wrote:I tell this little story not to imply that younger Christians are lost in the dire enternal sense at all. I mean to say that the older generation has left, in effect, the younger ones in a forest of conflicting and branching ideas to find their way out. This can cause people to become anxious and busy...when what is really lacking (in my opinion) is simply waiting on God. My unsoliticed advice is to not become strong headed and charge through the forest with youthful zeal and misplaced loyalties...instead wait upon the Lord in all you do, and you will find that he will come, and guide your heart and feet precisely to that old path well trodden by faithful, albiet perhaps less famous, pilgrims hidden in every generation. Blessings,MC
KingJimmy wrote:[b]The thing that most disturbs me about the prophetic movement is the lack of reality and desire for the truth manifest in this movement. And such is why prophets can continually "miss it" and not be personally disturbed in the depth of their own soul that they dare prophesied something falsely, and such is also why people flock to them in droves. In general, they want to play the game too.[/b] [b]For if truth and reality were the burning hunger of many people involved in this movement, they would not allow "missed words" to so simply swept under the carpet as if they never even were given to begin with. So to me, I care not how many people they've reportedly brought to Christ, or how many people they've led in fasting and prayer.[/b] Such are great things. But, Jimmy Swaggart was having such an amazing blessing in his ministry even though he was whoring around town. Bad behavior is still bad behavior, and it does not justify the good behavior. [b] But, because many are simply playing games within the prophetic movement, such bad behavior is simply overlooked. [/b] And such is exactly what happened with Jimmy Swaggart. As you know, many people continued to support Swaggart even after his fall. Shoot, even after his own fall Swaggart kept acting like nothing ever happened. He was full of pride even after all his public exposure, and is still full of pride even today. Oh, sure, he still continues to see a blessing. But so what? The issues of truth and reality have long departed from Swaggart. I'm continue to be saddened at those of you who continue to support many of these men. I don't know all the names of all the people, as I've not actively followed, studied and participated in the prophetic movement for a while. So, I cannot offer a blanket condemnation of everyone of them. However, as the old saying goes, birds of the same feather flock together. Therefore, when I see men whom I don't know, associating with some of these better known men whom I have known of... then I'm worried that they participate in the same thing. Of course, we can't automatically ascribe guilt simply for being associated with them. [b] Each individual must be judged on a case by case basis. But without a doubt, I automatically am concerned with such associations.[/b]
My own advice is to always consider and measure everything you hear by the old paths...circa 1900AD and before.
But you say, "my favorite prophet does preach Christ!" That is wonderful! Does he also preach that you must attain secret elite spiritual powers to have victory over demons and to recieve God's blessing? If so then he has wandered from the old paths. Does he also preach that the sound doctrine of the Gospel, yea even the spirit of Truth, is not knowable and therefore not as important as social justice? Does he preach that the New Covenant is really just the Old Covenant opened up to gentiles? Then rest assured, sincere and pursuasive as he may be, he has wandered from the path...
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When someone prophesies and it is wrong, there not immature, there wrong.they didnt hear from God wrongly, they heard not God, either a wrong prophecy was from their own imaginations, or well from the bad guy.Scripture says, Titus 3:9-11 but keep back from foolish questionings and geneologies and arguements and quarrels of law for they are unprofitable and vain. after the first and second warning, avoid a man of heresy. knowing that such a one has been perverted and sins, being self-condemned.I use this scripture to point out that this movement does teach heresy.I too once followed a pastor who was so sincere but the more I prayed and studied my bible and Matthew Henry, and my other pulpit commentaries, I discovered his fruit, and well, I discovered it was fruit that was stuck to thorns, not fruit from a vine.It took me two years after that to finally get the nerve to move on and resolve myself to the fact that not every pastor or teacher is from God, I wrote him a letter explaining my position and admonished him to his behavior, he wrote me back and was in total denial.He was deceived, I had to reject him, but God reminded me I'm not to be angry with him but to pray for him, and I'm to forgive him and let God deal with him.This is a generation like the one during the time of Jesus, we're a wicked and perverce generation who looks for signs and wonders, we are so ripe for deception in the church today, and there are so many people out there who barely know the word of God that they will swallow any wind of doctrin floating their way, no matter how unscriptural it may be. and if we judge what they teach we are told by them "dont judge" or "lay not a hand on the Lord's annointed" both scriptures which are used out of context, but most christians today dont know it or care to study it because there too busy, busy buying new car's or keeping up with who is hitting the most home-runs now, or something like that.I like the advice of krispy kritter who said, to just read the word and get into Matthew Henry commentary.It is truly sound advice, And believe me my problem started with my church when I started studying my bible and Took Berean classes, and reading A.W. Tozer and Ravenhill, and other commentaries.I had conflict with teachings, one who had the pulpit I sat under, and all the others I was reading, all that I read agreed with each other and disagreed with the pastor, when I tried to discuss a topic, he said I was comming against him.The good old you must submit to authority trump card to shut you up. The devil will try anything to keep Bereans quiet. God save him, and God please spare this generation from a multitude of false or ignorant teachers who are trying to make a buck. If they dont have something new to teach they have nothing at all to say.What happened to just preaching the word anymore, they have new concepts, new things, God is doing something new.Here is a link http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/simpson.htmlits all about the prophetic movement, lots of articles and quotes from these leaders from the movements, and discern for yourself from their quotes, weather the fruit is from God or not.If what I have to say makes you angry, then I say Good, do you know why I say Good?Because when I got angry with my pastors teachings, or what someone said about doctrine, It drove me to my knees and I would study it for myself and not rely on someone elses words.This is a fight for not only your life but a fight for your soul. Get mad and study for yourself.Matthew 11:12 the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, but the violent take it by force.Remember someone is trying to deceive you.The devil has already deceived alot of people, he just wants to get you to join them.Have a great Day. :-)
Just want you all to know I respect you and your thoughts insight and opinions, and will heed your warnings, advice and comments.
[b]ce4 said:[/b] I want to point out that everyone who has pointed a finger at these men have Judged Them. Which goes against the word. They will say they haven't, but they have.
[b]ce4 said:[/b]They much rather point their finger at these men and call them false prophets and make accusations than warn the un-saved of physics the true false prophets which have taken over the TV screens and streets.
[b]Mike said:[/b]Brothers I repeat it again, those of us that have been in and out of these things speak from a heart of concern for you.
[b]Lotis said:[/b]Truth be told I was thinking about just deleting my account here after this thread. I honestly have been met with little exhortation or encouragement here on these forums, even in a corrective manner. I am usually just flat out picked apart sentence by sentence and either told I am deceived or someone like that haha. It's quite troubling actually. I am young and I have a lot to learn, but I truly hope I don't turn out to be as a lot of people SEEM to be here.
[b]Lotis also said to me direectly:[/b]Your negative words would hurt my feelings, if I didn't know thats just how you post, bluntly declaring what you believe to be the truth. So thanks, and keep it up, though I don't agree with you :)
[b]Lotis also said:[/b]So I leave this thread on the stand I started. I am fruit of this movement, I see fruit in this movement. I am after Jesus, not men, nor mens opinions of me. Thanks for listening to my two cents.
[b]Poet said:[/b] When someone prophesies and it is wrong, there not immature, there wrong.
[b]Poet also said:[/b] Because when I got angry with my pastors teachings, or what someone said about doctrine, It drove me to my knees and I would study it for myself and not rely on someone elses words. This is a fight for not only your life but a fight for your soul. Get mad and study for yourself.
By the way... something I would like to point out... I dont think any of us have said that Bickle, or Joyner... or even Benny Hinn are not saved. Who am I to judge whether someone is saved? I dont know another man's heart.Those in favor of these men have done very well not to accuse us of declaring them unsaved, and those who do not favor these men have done well not to cross that line.Krispy
I honestly have been met with little exhortation or encouragement here on these forums, even in a corrective manner. I am usually just flat out picked apart sentence by sentence and either told I am deceived or someone like that haha. It's quite troubling actually. I am young and I have a lot to learn, but I truly hope I don't turn out to be as a lot of people SEEM to be here. Maybe its just my skewed vision via the internet's ability to mask true emotion and feeling behind typed words, but probably not.
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Sorry Greg, your article written by Andrew Strom is old news as well. He came and went in a whirlwind. He came out "publicly" and it caused a small uproar of response at the time because he said he was against the "prophetic movement".I went to see him in person as a result of his article. Went to one of his meetings-I was grieved. All he did was condemn people he disagreed with to hell, yes, to hell. I cried and prayed for the man. He had some valid points, but they were greatly overshadowed by the spirit in which he came. He has since renounced his former stance on many issues, and is trying to run a street outreach in Wisconsin. Talk about someone bringing confusion to the body of Christ. He would be it. I am not speaking of this issue from a second hand view. I am an eyewitness, and the Lord definitely led me away from his ministry.God Bless
