If false teachers werent effective in bringing about positive change, no one would follow them.
_________________Grace and peace - TJ "Contentment is possible only as we cultivate and maintain that attitude of accepting everything which enters our lives as coming from the Hand of Him who is too wise to err, and too loving to cause one of His children a needless tear." - A.W. Pink
I am not being prideful in the least. Did you ever think that perhaps Hitler and all that was the perversion of what God truly wanted to do? So only if someone brings about negative change they are true? You'd be right not to compare these men to Hitler, because thats completely illogical. The ones I like are doing nothing to gain anything for themselves. If you are aware and have specific examples of them doing it for money or power or fame, let me know. Perhaps what you say is the reason for my Generations rejection of the wisdom of the older one, where sin abounds grace much more abounds however. I am going to have to go ahead and reject what you said, not all of it but some, I never claimed to have all the answers nor do I believe I have them. I serve under Godly men, I am very teachable actually, but I spit out garbage. When I am on the backside of 30 the world will be a much different place, and yes, I will have contributed to the changing of everything. Honestly, I'd rather speak to you about this in person, because I think emotions appear online that aren't actually there. I doubt that will ever happen however.
The fact that you think Mike Bickle teaches false doctrine is old news, (relating to the 'sons of God'). This has been refuted, over and done with a long time ago. IHOP addresses this on their actual website. Go straight to the source itself, not some second-hand view criticizing them. The article isn't even current anymore. They are not Metro Vineyard. That was a long time ago, as well as other info. about them.His ministry has been built by prophets who at the time, were serving God uprightly, but have since fallen-i.e-Jones, Cain. That does not discredit Mike Bickle's ministry now, or how it all came together. I've listened to the entire 12 CD account of the years it has taken for prayer to take root, and establish IHOP, from the mouth of Bickle himself. Jesus is the center of EVERYTHING done and taught at IHOP. It's who they worship, teach, and pray to 24 hours a day. And by the way, they pray the prayers of the Apostle Paul, night and day. To compare IHOP's teaching to Catholicism just shows how little you know about him or what his ministry is all about. Personally, I've been there many times for conferences and been in the prayer room. I've seen for myself the fruit of his ministry as thousands of young adults are turning away from the world and setting their gaze on Jesus, their bridegroom, and becoming totally on fire for God! Until anyone here has results even 1/2 of that, there's nothing more to be said.It amazes me that someone who is actually practicing what this webisite preaches: Repentance, the centrality of Christ, the Word of God, holiness........is called a false prophet. wow.
This is a very interesting link. There is a whole section in there about Rick Joyner's book "the Final Quest." It uses scripture to expose error in his writings. http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/
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I really appreciate your insight wallbuilderand Lotis.This unfortunately is a sad thread because I find myself in disagreement with ones that I really respect. Let me say this, if the Spirit of God are in these men, they will need no defense for the Spirit of the Lord needs no defense. I just speak the truth, which is that I have been blessed by Rick Joyner, and I am really glad you have been blessed by these other men, that I am not familiar with.Psalm 107:2 Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;And surely I am redeemed of the Lord, and the Lord used Rick Joyner's Writings in doing this. I read the Final Quest three times, and I thought it was awesome. I also read the two after, also awesome. I want to point out that everyone who has pointed a finger at these men have Judged Them. Which goes against the word. They will say they haven't, but they have. They much rather point their finger at these men and call them false prophets and make accusations than warn the un-saved of physics the true false prophets which have taken over the TV screens and streets. Who here knows these men very well personally? I would guess none. Who here is without sin and flaw, so let him speak. You have blindly Judged these men and a nobody like me has to rebuke. I pray Lord Jesus your Holy Spirit, bring all of us together into the perfect unity that comes in love. I know these men have been accused by those who don’t personally know them. Is anyone else seeing this, I know I am not blind, I believe I see pretty good on this matter. Be blessed Sorry, but the truth must be said.
Krispy said,"I just know when you're 20 you think you have all the answers and you're gonna change everything."I'm about three years past that and I've already lost a third of my previous insight and have changed one tenth of what I expected. What seems to change most are my opinions.
_________________Grace for grateful holiness,Michael Spotts:."There is no such thing as loveless holiness."[b]My website/blog:[/b] [url=www.theopenlife.com][u]www.theopenlife.com[/u][/url]
We come with a festival and you call for a fast, we come fasting and you call it a festival. Someone stands up and speaks the word of the Lord and you call him false, a man sits down and stays quiet and you call him apathetic...but the fact remains, they are changing my generation and most of us here are turning them away.
Seriously tho, the reason your generation rejects the wisdom that can found in older generations...
_________________SermonIndex.net Moderator - Mike Compton"The most tremendous judgment of God in this world is the hardening of the hearts of men." John Owen
Do you think the new prophetic movement is the revival in our day. It seems it used to be the reformers, the great awakenings, the Pentecostals, and now it seems to be the Prophetic movement that is stirring things. In this movement are at it’s head God TV, Rick Joyner, Lou Engle, Mike Bickle, Bill Johnson, and some others.
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Very well said MC. Hope the articles Greg posted might be taken into the grid work as well. To the younger brothers here ... I do hope that there is an understanding and appreciation to just look to the issues of authenticity and truth in the most distilled form and to realize that is what the slightly older as hopefully yourselves are constantly at here.I think it would be fair to state that even those of us in the older capacity fled much of the confusion that MC touched on still find it difficult to articulate and make sense of with where we are presently. Personally, I do find most of what constitutes prophecy in our day to be questionable at best and hardly prophetic at worst. Even the definition of the term itself has been so contorted out of it's structure that the many attempts here have brought us often no closer to what it might have been in the original, speaking in New Testament terms.The hold that I do have is that it is much more associated with teaching or revealing that which has always and already been stated and is explanatory in nature, far more than the business of prediction or forth telling. But I am still pressing into the matter even to this very moment.Brothers I repeat it again, those of us that have been in and out of these things speak from a heart of concern for you.
_________________Mike Balog[i]Here I found the benefit of a principle which I invariably adopt, of never pressing upon any human being my sentiments or wishes, without an absolute necessity. If a friend be reduced to the necessity of refusing or complying, he will feel grieved: but if, though with pain to himself, he do anything without being importuned, he has a sweet feeling of love excited by that very act; or, it he refrain from doing what you wish, he feels a love to you for not pressing him against his will.[/i] ~ Charles Simeon
Compton, I totally see what you're saying, and I appreciate your post. Thank you for at least being kind and explaining what you said. I truly appreciate it. Truth be told I was thinking about just deleting my account here after this thread. I honestly have been met with little exhortation or encouragement here on these forums, even in a corrective manner. I am usually just flat out picked apart sentence by sentence and either told I am deceived or someone like that haha. It's quite troubling actually. I am young and I have a lot to learn, but I truly hope I don't turn out to be as a lot of people SEEM to be here. Maybe its just my skewed vision via the internet's ability to mask true emotion and feeling behind typed words, but probably not. To Krispy: I truly do look for your opinion on many subjects, often scrolling past a few posts to read what you have to say. Your negative words would hurt my feelings, if I didn't know thats just how you post, bluntly declaring what you believe to be the truth. So thanks, and keep it up, though I don't agree with you :)So I leave this thread on the stand I started. I am fruit of this movement, I see fruit in this movement. I am after Jesus, not men, nor mens opinions of me. Thanks for listening to my two cents.
