Unless you really know what these men's ministries are about, I would be careful about the words used about them.

By the way, Lou Engle, Mike Bickle, and Bill Johnson do not call themselves prophets. Lou Engle is an intercessor that trains up this generation in fasting, intercession and repentance. Young adults from all over this nation are being raised up under this man of God. I was at thecall nashville where we fasted, prayed and repented for the church in this nation. It was a 16 hour day in the hot sun on a water fast. This is the man you are calling a false prophet. Be very careful of what you say.

I could say the same of Mike Bickle. He calls himself an intercessor, not a prophet. He has started 24/7, night and day prayer/worship that has been going for 7 years now! This is for the purpose of revival. He does not claim to be in revival, but preparing for it. People from all over the world are returning to a fasted, wasted life of prayer and worship of Jesus because of this is man. Be very careful of what you say.

Unless you really know what you're talking about, I wouldn't even say it.

To discuss doctrine is one thing, but to slander a brother in Christ is another.

I was referring to the 3 men I mentioned (Engle, Bickle, Johnson), not everyone that was lumped together, as "false prophets", which seems to happen alot on this site. And yes, have seen all 3 of them many times. Their ministries are solid in the Word. Mike Bickle's ministry prays the BIBLE 24 hours a day.

Also, Dutch Sheets is an excellent teacher on prayer and intercession and has a burden for this nation and much of what is promoted on this website. have read his books, and seen him.

As far as the others mentioned, I have no comment.

But, Scripture says, "Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses" (I Tim. 5:19). It's just good to bring up issues in a Christlike way.

These arguments are always so pointless. No one ever changes their minds...your opinion doesn't effect mine nor does mine yours. Just like someone said recently in another thread about Abe Lincoln, some say he was great, others say he was a tyrant. Complete opposite opinions, both seemingly well backed by facts and experiences, both meaning little to the opposing sides.
Sorry you don't like these people krispy, I often like to read your posts, your opinion (while I don't always agree with it) is always an interesting one.
All I can say is that I am a child of God and I like these guys and I like what they stand for. And no they are not perfect, but neither are we. They have changed my life and countless others for the better, that is fruit enough for me. They are changing the world, you can't deny that. Whats important is that they are changing it for Christ, not for Satan. These men lead people to Jesus, not to devils. You can disagree, oh well. I guess this is my last post in this thread. Much Love

Amen Lotis!

So... sincerity is the mark of a true prophet/teacher? Is that how we judge a teaching now, by how sincere they are?

It is possible to "pray the Bible" and still be completely wrong. Catholics do it all the time.

So, Lotis & Wall... keep patting each other on the back. The fact is, you're being deceived. I dont say that out of malice or anything like that. I say that out of concern for you both.

Scripture tells us that in the end times men would "heap to themselves teachers" (2 Tim 4:3)... and believe me, there is no lack of teachers in the Charismatic, so-called "Prophecy" and the WOF movements. They have teachers coming out the wa-zoo.

Try this: stop listening and reading all these teachers for 12 months. Do nothing but study the Word of God with commentaries like Matthew Henry... the kind of commentaries that have been around for 3 centuries.

Do this, and you will not believe how it will change your walk. It revolutionized mine.

Krispy

No offense Krispy, but while I find your opinions interesting, they don't effect me at all. And once again no offense, but if I cared much that you think I'm deceived I'd get angry and offended with you. I almost did in fact, but then I thought, who really cares what you think in the long run? (That is, in regards to this immediate matter) You think I'm deceived, oh well, welcome to the club. You're a smart man, but I'd venture to say your discernment is off. But, what does my opinion matter in the long run? I respect you as a great man of God, whom I could learn a lot from. But sometimes I see why my generation is so quick to rebel against the older generation.
This is not directed towards Krispy:
I'm 20, and my generation is going down to hell in a hand-basket, as I am sure you all are aware. We come with a festival and you call for a fast, we come fasting and you call it a festival. Someone stands up and speaks the word of the Lord and you call him false, a man sits down and stays quiet and you call him apathetic. Get a clue, your pet ideals mean nothing in the Kingdom, quit boxing God in. You can point and cry wolf all you want at who ever you want, but the fact remains, they are changing my generation and most of us here are turning them away.

Lotis, while there is an understanding to what you have stated about your generation there is the counter that many of us have been down this path and even both Krispy and myself were once fairly well enamored with one Benny Hinn if it needs an example.

Believe me these are they which watch out for your soul more than you know. Be on your guard against pride brother.

Pray all would really begin to mine the resources that are available here on so many a topic, even such as this, there is a great deal of that which has been spoken to it and an even greater amount yet to be explored of so many rich and challenging matters.

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Mike Balog

[i]Here I found the benefit of a principle which I invariably adopt, of never pressing upon any human being my sentiments or wishes, without an absolute necessity. If a friend be reduced to the necessity of refusing or complying, he will feel grieved: but if, though with pain to himself, he do anything without being importuned, he has a sweet feeling of love excited by that very act; or, it he refrain from doing what you wish, he feels a love to you for not pressing him against his will.[/i] ~ Charles Simeon