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Lotis
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I'd like to take all these guys, put them together and a room, and give them a great big group hug. When you bear 1/10th the fruit they bear, I may even give you a hug. They are changing the face of the church and the face of the world while people sit and criticize them. You don't like all they teach fine, but look at their fruit please. Sometimes I forget how many people on this website have perfect doctrine...


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John

 2007/8/15 8:05Profile
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I forget how many people on this website have perfect doctrine...



Pro 12:20 Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellors of peace is joy.

Zec 7:10 And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

Zec 8:17 And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the LORD.


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Mike Balog

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for anyone to say the church is not in a major prohetic move of God is absolutely ridiculous!



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...all of this to say this: revival will not and cannot happen within the apostate church system. I know we have many “pillow prophets” and “Disneyland seers” who prophesy over and over again, “A great move of God is coming to America! There is reformation coming to the churches! There will be great revival! Signs and wonders will happen in every church! We’re seeing the beginning of it happening right now!” and so on. Enough of that nonsensical and unscriptural ear-tickling garbage! The only revival the apostate church in America is going to get is a counterfeit revival with counterfeit signs and wonders! Go see your gold dust, angel feathers, and diamonds that fall from the ceiling! Go yield yourselves to your animal demons! Go writhe like snakes! Go get hands laid on you and knocked over by that preacher who’s addicted to Internet pornography! This is your revival, apostate Babylon! And yet you all remain in sin, wickedness, and compromise such as never before. The earth itself is groaning in pain under the weight of your transgressions.

Babylon (America and its apostate religious system) has corrupted the whole earth with the wine of her fornication and has become the habitation of devils! Physical judgment would indeed be an act of mercy. The spiritual judgment is already here and it’s fallen onto the apostate system and most of those who are in it, and like I said, this is the most severe and worst kind of judgment there is!



[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=18840&forum=34]A good article on the false revivals in the church system[/url]
In Christ - Jim

[*edit, I am NOT outright calling any of the men listed on this thread false prophets, do your own research and examine the fruit, this is just a general comment on the subject]

 2007/8/15 9:54
jdickson
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hey Jim!
I couldnt agree with you more about the condition of the church, I often attend churches or minister at churches and I just wnat to sit and cry about their condition...

and I would be the last person to cry "revival!".... dude if we're in revival i quit.... im going home and locking myself away. If we're in revival.... revival sucks, haha

But the church is need of revival! Thats why amazing men of God like Lou Engle and Rick Joyner, and bill Johnson have arisen in the earth, to be a voice to the church screaming "wake up!"

your article you posted really bothers me, maybe the person who had the dream was specifically dreaming for his old church, but to make bold statements as strong as "revival will not come to the church" is not the heart of God, I know my King is coming back for a beautiful spotless glorified bride. So she better see revival or buddy we're toast......


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Jamie Dickson

 2007/8/15 12:32Profile
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brother jdickson,

brother, just like not all israel is the true israel, not all church is the true church. what we need is for the church of God (the living stones that God is building) to cry out loud for revival and for God's Spirit to convict our hearts and humble ourselves before Him. let us preach and proclaim in the streets as well as in the building so that by God's grace, we may bring those to Christ who would not have otherwise come to Him.

 2007/8/15 13:15Profile
KingJimmy
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When you bear 1/10th the fruit they bear, I may even give you a hug.



They bear no fruit.

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And any fruit they do bear is like a false sign or lying wonder. That is, it exists only to further a lie and deceive. Scripture is clear, if a prophet prophesies something that does not come to pass, that prophet did not hear from God, as in fact, false. That's not to say there is no room for repentance for such an individual and being used by God. But it is hardly a small and trivial thing to "miss it." And "missing it" is something that these men have done time and time again, and just *shrug* things off like they never happened. Jesus said it is out of the abundance of the heart that a man speaks. And to utter a false prophecy under the guise of giving a true one, shows just how crooked one's heart is. Even if they "mean well." Abraham meant well, and the world has been plagued by the fruit of Ishmael ever since.

And for a price you can go to their prophecy seminars and learn "how-to" prophesy. Such is entirely foreign to Scripture. And sadly, there are many, such as some of you, who probably go to these seminars and read their books. There is a price to pay to flow in the prophetic, but that isn't the cost of a weekend seminar, conference, or book. The price to pay is in the cross alone.


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Jimmy H

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your article you posted really bothers me, maybe the person who had the dream was specifically dreaming for his old church, but to make bold statements as strong as "revival will not come to the church" is not the heart of God,




If you are speaking of the true Church I agree. If you are speaking of the popular institutional religous system in North America, that is not the Church, it is the whore. It is Gods heart to send them strong dellusion that they might be damned for rejecting the truth.

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I know my King is coming back for a beautiful spotless glorified bride. So she better see revival or buddy we're toast......



Revival is happening, in Detroit many people have been personally revived (and have since left the institutional whore).

For the naysayers, of course I do NOT mean to say that EVERY group that meets in a building is of the whore, just the overwhelming great majority. The whore will not be revived, the lukewarm will, including those who worship at her unclean alters for the time being, but the whore is damned.

In Christ -Jim

 2007/8/15 16:01









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God TV, Rick Joyner, Lou Engle, Mike Bickle, Bill Johnson, and some others.



This is like a Who's Who of false teachers/prophets... you forgot to throw in Bob Jones (not the same one as in BJU). And lets not forget the infamous Paul Cain.

I used to be impressed with Rick Joyner, and his buddy Bob Jones "prophecied" over my wife and I back when we were into that stuff... but I found something better... it's called God's Word.

This is a counterfeit "revival" led by counterfeit "prophet$". Your time is better spent going to the IHOP that is serving pancakes instead of so-called prophecies.

Krispy

 2007/8/15 16:19
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Paul Cain
Bob Jones
Cindy Jacobs
Kim Clement
Dutch Sheets
Rick Joyner
C. Peter Wagner
Steve Shultz

... and the list could go on. I've stopped actively following the prophetic movement in the last couple of years, so I'm sure there are other names I could add to this list. But be warned, if you greatly admire any of the above people as outstanding ministers of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and as being leading apostolic/prophetic figures today, then you are in danger of being led astray.

Many of you probably like these individuals because they affirm something about you and your ministry. They somehow establish and confirm you, and that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and important. But if you were truly prophetic, as some of you perhaps think yourself to be, you'd see through the hype.

I was reading a lamentation of Amos today, and the worship leaders of his day who were "like David" (Amos 6). But as much as they were like David, they were not Davidic. They were musically talented like David, and had an ability to sing new songs off the cuff. But there was something lacking in their ministries. And that thing was clear to Amos: authenticity. For so long as they "played" music, they were simply "like David." But Davidic they were not.

So are many in the so-called prophetic movement. They are "like David." That is, they say things that sound prophetic. Even in an impressive manner. And "like prophets" they say something that is true and something that "bears fruit." But they are only "like David." But actually being Davidic, they are not.


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Jimmy H

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*double post*


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