Do you think the new prophetic movement is the revival in our day. It seems it used to be the reformers, the great awakenings, the Pentecostals, and now it seems to be the Prophetic movement that is stirring things. In this movement are at it’s head God TV, Rick Joyner, Lou Engle, Mike Bickle, Bill Johnson, and some others. God TV seems to be the new, and improved, and a bit reformed TBN. They say they don’t agree with much that the televangelist have done. They want to have it to be done with a revival of the arts or top notch culture technology. Also, as they say, so many tried to get TV in Europe and none could, not even big Christian corporations with much money/. But, that they miraculously did just 2 poor people if you read there book. Rick Joyner is said to throw forth big prophecy and has a hard climactic insightful preaching on the end of the age and its army. Lou Engle is a zealous guy who is continually rocking in prayer and preaching hard. He started the justice house of prayer across from a major government building in Washington DC. He also, established the Call a meeting that comes together and fasts and prays for revival and repentance, recently fasted for 40 days. Mike Bickle was used to start the International House of Prayer 7 years ago. It is a young adult movement with over 500 full time prayer missionaries. IHOP seems to be leading the nation in prayer. These houses are landing all over the place in cities and on college campuses and it is even now influencing the great Korean prayer movement. The Korean’s recently stated that they are going to open 30 house’s of prayer and 10 of them on the border of North Korea. People are getting a 24/7 stream off the internet of the prayer house. As I heard recently even people in the underground Church of China are watching it. There is also something called the Prophetic History or Encountering Jesus of IHOP that has some grandiose claims. It is said that prophecies were made with confirmations before not only the audience of a couple people, but a church. Guys in this history were men like Paul Cain and Bob Jones who claim to have had some angelic visitation and direct spoken words to them of the end of the age. Shortly, a couple things are: presidential elections being predicted, communism falling when no one expected it, the house of prayer being established with details foretold. Even, Katz and Ravenhill were mixed in this in the early stages. And to conclude Toronto and Brownsville is all also a part of this. Some say things were bad, some good, and some say it was good with mixed warfare and emotionalism. Many have testimonies of changed lives from those places. Even if you don’t buy into the laughing stuff is it all that bad if they are laughing with good motives to rejoice. I wouldn’t know how to justify animal noises and such and wouldn’t though, yet I am not at this time trying to give my own view. Bill Johnson also has a Church in Redding California. It is stated that they see healing regularly. For example a woman who was deaf in a grocery store was healed and then the clerk saw it all cried and said this is God and let the guy who did the healing talk on the microphone to the store and people came forward and he preached the gospel. Yet, don’t let me forget also the extreme’s that are going on like manifestations of gold dust, angel feathers, oil and blood in hands, and the like :-( . All of these people have things in common and are linked in ministry. I could say a few more things but this is not a treatise on the subject but just a brief questioning paragraph for discussion. Here is a link to the audio of Bickle’s Encountering Jesus Prophetic history for you to listen to, and also a link to a short video trailer of the Prophetic movement, and a couple other things:Audio Prophetic History "Encountering Jesus" [url=http://mikebickleteachings.blogspot.com/]click here[/url]Prophetic Movement Trailer[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7sSZ7Ux3Hg]click here[/url]Lou Engle preaching hard at IHOP[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifi90i6XzlM]click here[/url]The Call 07/07/07 "repent and fast"[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDMQV04j610]click here[/url]p.s. I hope that this will lead to awareness, clarity, and edification.
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Hi Davidt. How are you?I do not know much about these men that you have mentioned. I hope that they are all godly and bring honor and glory to God.For me, in my own devotions, the words of the prophet Jeremiah have spoken so strongly the last weeks and months. The entire 23rd chapter seems to shout at us today. It seems to shout at us today.Chris
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I believe those commonly embraced and celebrated within the so-called "prophetic movement" are false through and through. I don't think it takes much discernment to see through a lot of the hype. Sadly though, many people fall for it. While I believe in modern day prophets, I don't believe any of the individuals you listed are from God. Some of them perhaps had a genuine calling, but have long since departed from it. I cannot recommend enough the following sermon by a prophetic minister by the name of Art Katz, available on this web site:[url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=5806](The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy) Against False Prophets[/url]His message was given shortly after the fall of the famous "prophet," Paul Cain, who was caught drunk and having a homosexual relationship with another man.
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Hi Davidt, No, I do not think that this prophetic movement is revival. I think that Satan is very clever and he is always changing things to appear to be the new improved thing. I've spent some time around people who have worked directly for some of the names mentioned above. These people seem so genuine and believe so much in what they are doing, but they are still part of the same old, corrupt humanistic system. It all sounds good, but it is a strong dilusion.
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Hey david!for anyone to say the church is not in a major prohetic move of God is absolutely ridiculous!Everyone person you just stated preach Jesus, Died, and rose again, they preach the forgiveness of sins, they preach intimacy with God. How could we ever stand back and point our finger saying false prophet? I know Lou Engle personally, I fasted and prayed with him in Boston for 40 days, and he fasts prayers more fervently than the fathers of prayer throughout history, one day we will look back and say Lou Engle was a mighty man of God who led a generation back to God. And to say that he preaches hard is a difficult statement when compared to our "heroes" of Jonathan edwards, em bounds, and Charles Finney. It breaks my heart that we can study history and see the christian mystics and love and adore their stories with full faith, but point our finger in accusation to the current moves of God on the earth today. When John the baptist asked if Jesus was the messiah, his disciples came back and said "the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk..."Lets judge the fruit friends... when was the last time you gathered 80,000 people in a stadium to fast and pray for a generation, when was the last time you prayed for someone in a wheelchair and they got up and walked. Revival is here for today, not just in a dusty text books.peace and love, keep your heart and mind open, let us not harden our hearts tas the jews did in the rebellion.
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This is my opinion of the matter.I have studied Rick Joyner from his books since 1996 I consider him in being one of the most influential people for me in my life implanting in me great seeds of holiness, hunger, humility and living a selfless life in Jesus.
These 'prophetic-movement' men do not fit the bill of a biblical prophet. There is too much glitz, too many cameras, too many book tours... A good measuring stick is this, if anyone goes out of their way to call themselves a prophet, they're not.Just for a refresher:[b]Picture of a Prophet[/b]By Leonard Ravenhill (Originally Published in the book 'America is too young to die' 1975) The prophet in his day is fully accepted of God and totally rejected by men. Years back, Dr. Gregory Mantle was right when he said, "No man can be fully accepted until he is totally rejected." The prophet of the Lord is aware of both these experiences. They are his "brand name." The group, challenged by the prophet because they are smug and comfortably insulated from a perishing world in their warm but untested theology, is not likely to vote him "Man of the year" when he refers to them as habituates of the synagogue of Satan! The prophet comes to set up that which is upset. His work is to call into line those who are out of line! He is unpopular because he opposes the popular in morality and spirituality. In a day of faceless politicians and voiceless preachers, there is not a more urgent national need than that we cry to God for a prophet! The function of the prophet, as Austin-Sparks once said, "has almost always been that of recovery." The prophet is God's detective seeking for a lost treasure. The degree of his effectiveness is determined by his measure of unpopularity. Compromise is not known to him. He has no price tags. He is totally "otherworldly." He is unquestionably controversial and unpardonably hostile. He marches to another drummer! He breathes the rarefied air of inspiration. He is a "seer" who comes to lead the blind. He lives in the heights of God and comes into the valley with a "thus saith the Lord." He shares some of the foreknowledge of God and so is aware of impending judgment. He lives in "splendid isolation." He is forthright and outright, but he claims no birthright. His message is "repent, be reconciled to God or else...!" His prophecies are parried. His truth brings torment, but his voice is never void. He is the villain of today and the hero of tomorrow. He is excommunicated while alive and exalted when dead! He is dishonored with epithets when breathing and honored with epitaphs when dead. He is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, but few "make the grade" in his class. He is friendless while living and famous when dead. He is against the establishment in ministry; then he is established as a saint by posterity. He eats daily the bread of affliction while he ministers, but he feeds the Bread of Life to those who listen. He walks before men for days but has walked before God for years. He is a scourge to the nation before he is scourged by the nation. He announces, pronounces, and denounces! He has a heart like a volcano and his words are as fire. He talks to men about God. He carries the lamp of truth amongst heretics while he is lampooned by men. He faces God before he faces men, but he is self-effacing. He hides with God in the secret place, but he has nothing to hide in the marketplace. He is naturally sensitive but supernaturally spiritual. He has passion, purpose and pugnacity. He is ordained of God but disdained by men. Our national need at this hour is not that the dollar recover its strength, or that we save face over the Watergate affair, or that we find the answer to the ecology problem. We need a God-sent prophet! I am bombarded with talk or letters about the coming shortages in our national life: bread, fuel, energy. I read between the lines from people not practiced in scaring folk. They feel that the "seven years of plenty" are over for us. The "seven years of famine" are ahead. But the greatest famine of all in this nation at this given moment is a FAMINE OF THE HEARING OF THE WORDS OF GOD (Amos 8:11). Millions have been spent on evangelism in the last twenty-five years. Hundreds of gospel messages streak through the air over the nation every day. Crusades have been held; healing meetings have made a vital contribution. "Come-outers" have "come out" and settled, too, without a nation-shaking revival. Organizers we have. Skilled preachers abound. Multi-million dollar Christian organizations straddle the nation. BUT where, oh where, is the prophet? Where are the incandescent men fresh from the holy place? Where is the Moses to plead in fasting before the holiness of the Lord for our moldy morality, our political perfidy, and sour and sick spirituality? GOD'S MEN ARE IN HIDING UNTIL THE DAY OF THEIR SHOWING FORTH. They will come. The prophet is violated during his ministry, but he is vindicated by history. There is a terrible vacuum in evangelical Christianity today. The missing person in our ranks is the prophet. The man with a terrible earnestness. The man totally otherworldly. The man rejected by other men, even other good men, because they consider him too austere, too severely committed, too negative and unsociable. Let him be as plain as John the Baptist. Let him for a season be a voice crying in the wilderness of modern theology and stagnant "churchianity." Let him be as selfless as Paul the apostle. Let him, too, say and live, "This ONE thing I do." Let him reject ecclesiastical favors. Let him be self-abasing, nonself-seeking, nonself-projecting, nonself- righteous, nonself-glorying, nonself-promoting. Let him say nothing that will draw men to himself but only that which will move men to God. Let him come daily from the throne room of a holy God, the place where he has received the order of the day. Let him, under God, unstop the ears of the millions who are deaf through the clatter of shekels milked from this hour of material mesmerism. Let him cry with a voice this century has not heard because he has seen a vision no man in this century has seen. God send us this Moses to lead us from the wilderness of crass materialism, where the rattlesnakes of lust bite us and where enlightened men, totally blind spiritually, lead us to an ever-nearing Armageddon.God have mercy! Send us PROPHETS!
once again, all I say let us judge them by their fruit. the word "false prophet" is such a harsh accusation and label to place on men who weep over our generation and point the finger at the cross. And whom also dont claim to be prophets. Not one person listed here in these messages have claimed to be a prophet.I dont think anyone is claiming to be the prophet isaiah, or jeremiah. We're not in the old testament anymore, and we dont wear camels hair and eat locusts. We are in a new day, and the use of cameras, mass distribution, and the internet are being used as tools to equip the body of christ. Judge them by their fruit.
All these "prophets" ascribe to a false doctrine that says modern day prophets don't have to be 100% accurate in what they prophesy to come to pass. People who "miss it" are just considered immature and need room to "grow" in their gifting. Such flies in the face of the clear teaching of Scripture e.g. Deuteronomy 18 which says that if a prophet prophesies something that doesn't come to pass, they didn't hear from God. These guys will tell you themselves they aren't always 100% accurate in their prophecies. Indeed, the "great" Paul Cain, who was regarded as perhaps the greatest "prophet" of our generation didn't claim to even approach such a high percentage of "accuracy."
