running2win wrote:Quote:in a nutshell, are saying one must be perfect to come God or Christ as it must be gift of some sort. Is that not so?Not remotely. That's not even remotely related to what I was saying.
in a nutshell, are saying one must be perfect to come God or Christ as it must be gift of some sort. Is that not so?
Ironman,I need prayer also if you are wrong, but my spirit agrees with your spirit, by the Spirit of Christ that is in us. Also the Holy Spirit Teacher reveals this truth in agreement with the Spirit of Christ, that this is who He, The Holy Spirit teaches only Christ and will not speak of Himself.In Christ: by One Spirit which we are baptized into: Phillip
_________________Phillip
Bro Phillip me too! :-D
_________________patrick heaviside
Brothers it is only by HIS grace I am saved. It will be by HIS mercy I don't bust hell wide open. Since my repentance and recieving HIS forgiveness I have committed sins. I don't even like the thought of confessing sins to my brothers and sisters in writing and I sure don't enjoy confessing it to HIM. But I feel a great need to when HE brings them to my attention. Before I was saved I never felt bad about any sin especially my own sins. But I can see a want-to in my life, a supernatural change that wasn't there before I was saved, that only HE can give. In view of the new want-to that only HE can give after I was saved and filled with HIS spirit I have sinned less. I am not sin-less only in that he has justified me by HIS blood. Paul and James seem to have been contridicting each other but actually they were not. In fact James was only confirming and complimenting Paul.Eph 2:8-108 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?KJVThe best analogy of grace vs works that I had heard is.A saved person is endwelled with God's Spirit.If you would imagine with me that person is a fireplace and Paul is looking at the fire from inside the house that God has built. James who said "faith without works is dead" was standing outside the house and seeing smoke come out of the chimney. So by seeing the smoke coming out he knew there was a fire in the fireplace. Paul knew Jesus was the only one that could light the fire. We are not saved by works but unto good works. It is not our works but HIS. Not by our power our our might, but by HIS SPIRIT For it HIM thats works in us both to will and to do. Are we seeing any smoke come out of our chimney?Examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith.2 Cor 13:5-105 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you-unless, of course, you fail the test? 6 And I trust that you will discover that we have not failed the test. 7 Now we pray to God that you will not do anything wrong. Not that people will see that we have stood the test but that you will do what is right even though we may seem to have failed. 8 For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth. 9 We are glad whenever we are weak but you are strong; and our prayer is for your perfection. 10 This is why I write these things when I am absent, that when I come I may not have to be harsh in my use of authority-the authority the Lord gave me for building you up, not for tearing you down. We need to stand outside our fleshly house daily and look and see and examine if we see any smoke coming out of the chimney, if not, maybe the Jesus hadn't started the fire yet. Faith without works is dead. No fire.
So, if in fact faith is not enough for salvation, what about our Lord's words here-Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and [b]him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.[/b] Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. Joh 6:39 And [b]this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. [/b]Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, [b]that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.[/b]Now we now that Scripture doesn't contradict itself, especially when God incarnate, the very Author is speaking. So either we are wrong to presume salvation which begins with justification may be had and then lost, or Christ was wrong in stating this.I take the former :-D
moe_mac, you ought to be a preacher! :-D Your post so blessed me, you expressed these truths wonderfully. Thank you. God bless you brother.
_________________Jeff Mollman
moe_mac, a quick comment: Penitence is not Repentance. Godly sorrow leads to repentance, that is, turning from sin, stopping sin, ceasing to sin, not sinning again. Worldly sorrow leads to death. There is a difference!
roaringlamb wrote:So, if in fact faith is not enough for salvation, what about our Lord's words here-Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and [b]him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.[/b] Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. Joh 6:39 And [b]this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. [/b]Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, [b]that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.[/b]Now we now that Scripture doesn't contradict itself, especially when God incarnate, the very Author is speaking. So either we are wrong to presume salvation which begins with justification may be had and then lost, or Christ was wrong in stating this.I take the former :-D
_________________Matthew Miskiewicz
lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.Did Paul doubt Christ's ability to not lose him?
chiefosiners wrote:You do know this is another gospel. Beware of the curse.
bros Phillip and RoaringlambGreetings in Jesus' Name by Whose BLood we are Saved.AMEN.well if indeed we are deceived and are so thoroughly convinced of these things, then we are in dire need of help. Yet there is something which comes when God Imparts something to you; when God deals with you and makes things plain, there is a surety which comes with that. it is not arrogant but a Jealousy for that thing of God which simply won't waver no matter what. i feel this is what we share, if it isn't then we really need your prayers dear saints.Grace and Peace be ours in Jesus' Name. AMEN.
_________________Farai Bamu