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Andrew_Strom
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 Re:

Re: FINDING AGREEMENT??


Regarding "CHRISTIAN PERFECTION" and Giancarlo's view:

I think we need to avoid all charges of "heresy", etc, until we can
sit down and talk together and clarify some of the terms that
we are using. Some of the misunderstanding may simply be
terminology.

I also think that Wesley's "Summary" of his 'Christian Perfection'
book may give some grounds for common understanding and
quite a lot of agreement. (-Two of his summary statements have been
quoted already by me. -Here they are again below)-

WESLEY:-
"We Secondly believe, that there is no such perfection in this
life, as implies an entire deliverance, either from ignorance, or mistake,
in things not essential to salvation, or from manifold temptations, or
from numberless infirmities, wherewith the corruptible body more or less
presses down the soul. We cannot find any ground in Scripture to suppose,
that any inhabitant of a house of clay is wholly exempt either from bodily infirmities, or from ignorance of many things;or to imagine any is incapable of mistake, or falling into divers temptations.

"But whom then do you mean by 'one that is perfect?' We mean one
in whom is 'the mind which was in Christ,' and who so 'walketh as Christ
also walked;' a man 'that hath clean hands and a pure heart,' or that is
'cleansed from all filthiness of flesh and spirit;' one in whom is 'no
occasion of stumbling,' and who, accordingly, 'does not commit sin.' To
declare this a little more particularly: We understand by that scriptural expression, 'a perfect man,' one in whom God hath fulfilled his faithful word, 'From all your filthiness and from all your idols I will cleanse you: I will also save you from all your uncleannesses.' We understand hereby, one whom God lath 'sanctified throughout in body, soul, and spirit;' one who 'walketh in the
light as He is in the light, in whom is no darkness at all; the blood of Jesus Christ his Son having cleansed him from all sin.'"

Is there basic agreement to these statements of Wesley? (-At least
general agreement to what he is essentially putting across)?

Giancarlo? Josef? Patrick?

Essential agreement?

-Andrew.

 2007/6/29 17:11Profile









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Quote:
WESLEY:-
"We Secondly believe, that there is no such perfection in this
life, as implies an entire deliverance, either from ignorance, or mistake,
in things not essential to salvation, or from manifold temptations, or
from numberless infirmities, wherewith the corruptible body more or less
presses down the soul. We cannot find any ground in Scripture to suppose,
that any inhabitant of a house of clay is wholly exempt either from bodily infirmities, or from ignorance of many things;or to imagine any is incapable of mistake, or falling into divers temptations.

"But whom then do you mean by 'one that is perfect?' We mean one
in whom is 'the mind which was in Christ,' and who so 'walketh as Christ
also walked;' a man 'that hath clean hands and a pure heart,' or that is
'cleansed from all filthiness of flesh and spirit;' one in whom is 'no
occasion of stumbling,' and who, accordingly, 'does not commit sin.' To
declare this a little more particularly: We understand by that scriptural expression, 'a perfect man,' one in whom God hath fulfilled his faithful word, 'From all your filthiness and from all your idols I will cleanse you: I will also save you from all your uncleannesses.' We understand hereby, one whom God lath 'sanctified throughout in body, soul, and spirit;' one who 'walketh in the
light as He is in the light, in whom is no darkness at all; the blood of Jesus Christ his Son having cleansed him from all sin.'"



amen.

 2007/6/29 17:24





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