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There have been/are some awesome women teachers/preachers who have impacted countless peoples lives for eternity. If Pastor Cho (of S. Korea) uses women as pastors (on purpose by the way, not as an afterthought because no men were available) then there must be good reason for women to be leaders, yes, leaders in the church today.



The ends dont justify the means. Disobedience to scripture is never justified. The people who were impacted were impacted by the Word of God... period. Not by these women.

If Charles Manson quotes the Bible, it's still the Word of God even if it comes out of his mouth. (Oh, I can just see the misunderstandings over this statement!!)

As far as Cho is concerned... I find a lot of his teachings and doctrine to be sorely lacking, and at times borderline heretical. So it doesnt surprise me that he has no problem with women pastors.

Krispy

 2007/6/4 16:31









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Everyone has their biases-if you don't prefer Joyce Meyer, oh well, many, many people do and are quite ministered to, especially those who have been abused.



Joyce Meyer? Not a good example to use if you want to convince us that women should be pastors. She is as much of a false teacher as Benny Hinn. RUN... dont walk... away from Joyce Meyer.

Wallbuilder... I know I'm probably coming across as being a little tough on you. I'm really not. I'm merely trying to point out that so far all of the examples you've used have been incredibly weak. Drawing from the WOF movement for your examples (Cho, Meyer) wont really convince most folks here.

If you have a stronger argument that is based solely on scripture, I'd be very open to it. So far tho... no scripture, bad examples.

Krispy

 2007/6/4 16:35
wallbuilder
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Hi there

Krispy, you're right I misread what you posted about your experience about the woman moderator.

As far as entering into a nitpicky doctrinal debate about women as leaders/teachers in the church-the debate has gone on for thousands of years.

I could quote all kinds of supporting Scriptures to you, and break down the Greek..but the real issue, to me, is what the original question was, and what is practiced in the church today.

I have listed many, legitimate ministries today, and what they practice. Fruit speaks for itself;lives being transformed by the Word and power of God-of which you can dispute all you want to. You can't undo someone being saved by the gospel, which happened to be preached by a woman.

I choose to not engage in a Bible face off. You have your view, and I have mine (which is, by the Way, based on Scripture, and church history, including today). :-)

There are many excellent resources on this subject-if you look for them. But don't just come to this issue with one presuppostion; be open to all of the truth in Scripture, and history, not just a few Scriptures.

thanx for the interaction on this.

 2007/6/4 17:40Profile









 Re: Are Women Totally Forbidden to Teach?

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As for my mentioning emotions and implying that women sometimes have trouble detaching themselves from their emotions... well, thats a fact. I need not try to convince you of that. And that does not mean that some men dont ever have that problem either.



Considering that women missionaries leaving the States has double men missionaries - because men seem have trouble "detaching" themselves from pornography - I believe you may be jumping the gun with this generalisation.

As to the myth that women are more emotional than men... carefully watch the reactions of male spectators at any given football or hockey game, or even computer game.

Has any woman alive or dead cried more tears than Jeremiah? Was his inability to detach his emotions from his ministry a sin?

Ought women missionaries like Jackie Pullinger, Helen Roseveare, Corrie Ten Boom, etc, cease teaching and preaching [b]men[/b] about our Lord?

I, for one, won't shut my ears if a Deborah, or a Priscilla, or woman such as those in the paragraph above preach the Word within earshot.

 2007/6/4 18:16









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by wallbuilder on 2007/6/4 17:40:38
Fruit speaks for itself; lives being transformed by the Word and power of God-of which you can dispute all you want to. You can't undo someone being saved by the gospel, which happened to be preached by a woman.



wallbuilder, I agree. I was raised under a woman teacher/preacher. I know there are those who won't believe this but she was called BEFORE her husband to preach/teach by about 15 - 20 years. He was the "pastor" and sat and listened wholeheartedly and amen'd just like everyone else! But for the first 15 or so years, she was the one who ministered the Word of God and boy was there a ton of fruit in ton of changed lives.

Any authority she had when she preached/taught came by the power of the Holy Spirit because outside of the pulpit she was a humble woman with a meek and quiet spirit.

Do I know why the Lord called her and other women? No, only He knows and I trust Him more than I trust men's intrepretation of Scripture especially when I beheld first hand the obedience in action and the bearing of much fruit in the lives of men and women.

 2007/6/4 19:53









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Though I don't agree with women Pastors, however, women Prophetess, evangelists, teachers are pretty good. I heard a man once say that a woman is NOT to teach, and rightly so. However there is nothing wrong in her taking what a man has taught her and she repeating it. She is not to expound on the scriptures. Since Eve was caught in the deception, it's very easy for a woman to be deceived, thus she needs to be silent when it comes to opening up the scriputures or to reveal new teachings. This is how I see that scripture when it says "Suffer not a woman to teach".

 2007/6/4 20:50
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When I hear a woman teaching, I don't look for an excuse that she is a woman and should not teach me. I look for the Christ that is in her and if He comes forth I hear and learn, just like a man teaching. If Christ is not there I don't listen and won't receive anything from woman or man. It is an amazing thing that God has done, when He wants to use one of His Children and that child is in His presence and The Holy Spirit is doing the teaching, it does not matter who the person is, because it is Christ coming forth to bring truth to His brothers and sisters from God the Father by the Holy Spirit. Lets get out of the Law and into Christ. He is our Head and no matter who is hearing or speaking He is the One that we are to listen to or speak through and from. Why do people try to put God in a box and make Him the Law giver which He is, but the Law never saved or loves anyone. The Christ in you does and the Christ in me will listen to the Christ in you, who ever you are. The Law did not die for anyone and the Law did not love us first so we could love God the Father as He needs to be loved, just as we need to be loved and God the Father and Christ and the Holy Spirit know how to love because without Them there is no Love. I love you ladies and I love you men, by the Christ that is in me. I will hear the Christ in you, How do we know we are hearing Christ? First, listen then ask the Father and He will not give you a rock when bread is needed.

In Christ: Phillip


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Phillip

 2007/6/4 21:36Profile









 Re: Are Women Totally Forbidden to Teach?

From my earlier posts ...

The title of this thread is above.

The key word I see is "totally".

That is why I said I see it as the handshake of "authority and teaching" over men.

Yes, thus saith the Word, it does say "nor" between those two in that imperitive, so that is why I gave the example of Elizabeth Elliott, who admired Amy Carmichael. And the old retired Missionary woman who taught at our Bible College. They were under the Authority of the School, to teach Missions.

I suppose we may have to really look at this verse and decide if we want to high-light it, exegete it, leave it alone or blacken-it-out of our Bibles all together with a heavy-duty black magic marker.

[b]1Ti 2:12 But1161 I suffer2010 not3756 a woman1135 to teach,1321 nor3761 to usurp authority over831 the man,435 but235 to be1511 in1722 silence.2271 [/b]

I've heard many in the last 30 years or so say that Paul is not worth listening to on many issues. Some "believers" even call Paul names and say he's also lacking in faith and also that he was a legalist or just the opposite and worse.
That's what I've read on Christian Forums from folks who have one grudge or another against whatever Pauline Epistle or doctrine in them that they disparage.


Which leaves us with the Greek definition of 'heresy' again - which is, [u]"Choice - to choose for oneself - the opinion Chosen"[/u].



Shalom.

 2007/6/4 23:16
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 Re: Order

This one again ... it is not a large sigh, a mild one perhaps... For some relatively new to these surroundings as it was mentioned there has been a number of discussions on this, the new search engine would bring forth quite a bit of resources and prior discussion.

I must come along side Krispy here not specifically for his sake but because he is indeed trying to force the issue of scripture. To say "I look for ..." or that the end justifies the means is not being true to the effort that we ought to be dealing with this. I too am not interested in getting into a log drawn out rehashing of previously covered territory but I am concerned that this is something of an aberration that excuses opinion in it's place.

Maybe all that I am attempting here is to take note that the vast majority that have been here for some time are interested in one thing and that is to be faithful to the scriptures.

My understanding of this whole issue is 'simply' one of order, that which has been established by the Lord.

On another note, both Krispy and myself sat under a great deal of WOF teaching and I will go out on a limb and state that not all of it was a loss, but that is neither here nor there and does not help matters that truth can be gleaned from those who are teaching and preaching in situations they ought not to be and producing doctrines that are contrary to scripture, and that would be putting it very, very, mildly.


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 2007/6/4 23:25Profile
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 Re: Paul, the bond-servant of Christ

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I've heard many in the last 30 years or so say that Paul is not worth listening to on many issues. Some "believers" even call Paul names and say he's also lacking in faith and also that he was a legalist or just the opposite and worse.

That's what I've read on Christian Forums from folks who have one grudge or another against whatever Pauline Epistle or doctrine in them that they disparage.



Annie you have to stay off those things ... ;-)

It's difficult to pun there as this is one of the most incredible and gut wenching things I have come across as well. We have not a peep from the apostles and they basically just got out of the way and let Paul do the bulk-work of what constitutes the New Testament. He layed out his life in toil and gut's and heart anguish ... it is just amazing the pride and ignorance, arrogance ... I must stop, it just breaks my heart.


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