ginnyrose wrote:Choochoo wrote: ,Quote:ginnyrose, I tried to find the article in the buisness journal on line but could not, could you please tell me the name of it, that I might read it for myself?Click on the links given on the bottom of the original aricle. You should be able to pull them up. At least I could when I posted it. ginnyroseEDIT: I just tried pulling up the last link and I get a window saying "Service Unavailable". I even tried it from the original email I got. I am no whiz in circumventing a message like this...sorry, I cannot help you.
ginnyrose, I tried to find the article in the buisness journal on line but could not, could you please tell me the name of it, that I might read it for myself?
i think its pointless to discuss whether Murdoch is a Christian or not.. to me its pretty clear, doesnt matter what he claims, its the fruit that shows which camp he is on....
Some thoughts about all this...1. I don't have the relationship or friendship with Rick that permits me to judge him. Actually, are we even allowed to do that???...just a thought) I'm just someone who sees his heart to reach people. Is he perfect - no. Only my wife's first boyfriend and God are perfect! But I do see the fruits of his work. Do I agree with everything he says? No - but we agree enough that I can be involved in his effort to make a difference in this world.2. If I'm not mistaken, some of these blogger have written multiple negative articles about Rick Warren. I'm starting to think they may have their own hidden agenda. If anything, don't they have a responsibility to not cause more dissension?3. I'm not aware of the other guys or organizations listed in the article. Probably never would be except for their negativism.4. Just because someone says it, it doesn't mean it's true. That's even more so when bloggers say something. Anybody can blog or say anything on the internet! Remember this - just because they have a blog doesn't mean they are right.5. I remember reading that Murdock has several homes - the one listed in California is in Beverly Hills - about an hour and a half to two hours north of Saddleback on a good traffic day. That's a long drive for someone to be a church member. And I don't recall a helicopter pad or airstrip at Saddleback (smile). Rick may be Murdock's pastor (from a distance) but I can't help but wonder if Murdock is actually a member at Saddleback.6. Assuming that Rick is Murdock's pastor, I have several questions for the writers of these blogs: 1. Do they have anyone in their church whos not a perfect believer like they obviously are? (Are any fornicators, molesters, liars or gossipers in their pews?) 2. Do they associate with people like this in their church, neighborhood or ministry? (I sure hope so!) Truth is, I'd be grateful if God would let me have enough influence on people like that for them to say I was their pastor!3. Seems like I remember somewhere that the Pharisees accused Jesus of being a drunkard because he spent time with "unacceptable" people. Now what blog did I read that on???...hmmmm...oh yeah, it was in the Bible! These guys would have a field day with Jesus! 4. What's fair is fair, since they ask Rick to be accountable, can these bloggers give us a daily spiritual update of these progress of the sinners in their churches? Now that would be some good blogging!!!!!The bottom line: We are both aware of churches and pastors both nationally and in our own towns that have made mistakes. You and I can make a list of churches that have had (or have been rumored to have) multiple episodes of money and moral sin. Some of it goes on as we speak. This has happened for years. If I tried to chase down and point fingers at every transgression I'd waste all the limited time I have to reach an unchurched world and train up disciples. God will judge and I will not condemn publicly. If led by God I will approach those I think are wrong privately but ultimately, God will be the judge. Like the Apostle Paul I will celebrate the fact that at least the gospel is getting out.To these bloggers I say, Get a life and worry about your own sheep pens!
Just type in "Rupert Murdoch" and "pornography" into Google - just watch which link you connect to. He makes millions off soft and hard-core...Then, type in "Rupert Murdoch" and "Zondervan bibles"...I, for one, won't ever buy a Zondervan Bible knowing it will profit this porn tycoon.
TJ, I just wanted to say that the scripture at the bottom of your blog is an incredible word. The kind that encourages me to do the same. As in revelation where it says that they overcame the evil one by the blood of the LAMB, by the word of their testimony, and THEY DID NOT LOVE THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH.(Rev. 12:11)P.S. I was refering to the scripture that said " they left all and followed Jesus" Professing Christ does not a Christian make. Many have been told they are Christians and most of the Christians they know act just as un-Godly as they do
so almost any and all actions can be justified by them. A false Gospel has been preached for a very long time; a Gospel that will have devils convinced of their salvation.
_________________Howard Francis Hatzfeld