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awakenwithin
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 Re: Modest Swimwear

Ginnyrose,
Thank you dear sister. May God draw you deeper in His word and payer. Indeed this a subject that is greatly needed to be spoken about in the Church.

Let love deeper and press in more to pray for our beloved sisters in the Lord, May Gods grace be given to them to see this is not helpful to other brotehrs or is it honoring to God. May God grow them deep desire in their hearts to honor Christ in what they wear. But even a women can be modest in dress and not in heart, so God draw us deep to grip our hearts to be modest in heart and dress.

One pastor said what you wear, show what is going in your heart. Let us go to our hearts.

Sisters If you want to know what Guys think, Go here and read what they have to say about what you wear. http://www.therebelution.com/modestysurvey/

In Christ Alone
Charlene


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Rivqah,

Lady, you have a full-time job just caring for your children. Are you saying you work away from home and have still five younguns to care for? Methinks caring for five children plus a husband is a 24/7 job! We also had five children - four boys and one girl! It was a job back then and as the world is getting worse so is the task of mothering getting to be more difficult.

Take care and God bless!

ginnyrose


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ginnyrose wrote:
Rivqah,

Lady, you have a full-time job just caring for your children. Are you saying you work away from home and have still five younguns to care for? Methinks caring for five children plus a husband is a 24/7 job!
ginnyrose



Yea, I'm on break right now. It's nice to stop in and check up on SI. :-) If you find any quick and easy skirt patterns maybe you could post them. I'm thinking about making skirts and selling them. Thanks sister!

 2008/8/29 12:26









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Michael, thank you for this post.

I have to wonder that if Christian men were more honest with their sisters about the effects defrauding dress has on them, if we wouldn't see an overall change in the dress of Christian women. I know that it goes both ways, some women know exactly what they're doing when they dress provocatively, but there are others who may know that their clothes are immodest but have no clue what the implications of it are because the men around them are silent and say nothing about it. I'm not really sure [i]why[/i] Christian men allow their wives and daughters to wear swim suits or provocative clothing in the public, but I have to ask the question, are women being protected when they're allowed to expose themselves in that way? Is it because of pride that men are silent? And are sisters prepared to humbly receive truth from their brothers?

I don't understand why there is so much silence...but it makes me all the more grateful when a brother does stand up and share from his perspective in this area.






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theopenlife wrote:
Before what I consider my conversion, I attended a bible college in Southern California. In fact, I went on staff for two years as the resident pool/water feature guy.

A few years before I came, I think they required women to wear shorts and t-shirts over their one-piece suits. By the time I got there, in 2002, they had just begun allowing women to wear "modest" two pieces without coverings. (No two-piece is modest, and, in my opinion, a one-piece is only as modest as that woman is unattractive.) By the time I left in 2005, girls at this bible college were not only wearing the scantest of two pieces but stalked about the campus in next to nothing as well. If a typical swimsuit isn't immodest, what is? What does it say of bible education coming from men who can't realize this and do something about it?

In late 2005, when I came to Christ, I was dumbfounded that this was allowed to go on. They call it "liberty", but I know for a fact, having been a student and staff member, that most men on campus complained to one another about "struggling with lust". Not badly enough to picket the pool!

I'm not out to point fingers. I was with them and I wasn't complaining about anything but the guilt and shame.

My candid request to any woman reading this, and to those men who have influence upon the women they know, is for women to seriously consider abstinence from form-fitting swimsuits unless you're certain you are unattractive. Even then, wearing one promotes the license of others who are. Recommendation: if you want to swim, wear a loose shirt, wear some long-ish board shorts. Better yet, swim with women. That's how it used to be until culture caved to the pressure and temptation.

Finally, some verses for your consideration.

"As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout, so is a beautiful woman without discretion." [Proverbs 11:22]

"[I desire] that women adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control; not with finely-braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire; But (which is appropriate to women professing godliness) with good works." [1 Tim. 2:9-10]

"Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God’s sight is very precious." [1 Pet. 3:3-4]

Note in this next verse the connection that is made between the uncovering of the legs and nakedness. This is to be a disgrace, not because the human form is itself shameful, but because it should not be used in ways tending necessarily to sin, and which defy the post-fall meaning of clothing.

"Take the millstones and grind flour,
put off your veil,
strip off your robe, uncover your legs,
pass through the rivers.
Your nakedness shall be uncovered,
and your disgrace shall be seen."
[Isaiah 47:2-3]

Now here's an interesting observation, for whatever it's worth. Following the fall into sin, Adam and Eve make loincloths, presumably covering an area similar to typical bathing suits. God does not leave them in this condition, but gives them more thorough coverings.

"Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths." ... "And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them."

Note Matthew Henry's commentary on this passage,

Observe, 1. That clothes came in with sin. We should have had no occasion for them, either for defence or decency, if sin had not made us naked, to our shame. Little reason therefore we have to be proud of our clothes, which are but the badges of our poverty and infamy. 2. That when God made clothes for our first parents he made them warm and strong, but coarse and very plain: not robes of scarlet, but coats of skin. Their clothes were made, not of silk and satin, but plain skins; not trimmed, nor embroidered, none of the ornaments which the daughters of Sion afterwards invented, and prided themselves in. Let the poor, that are meanly clad, learn hence not to complain: having food and a covering, let them be content; they are as well done to as Adam and Eve were. And let the rich, that are finely clad, learn hence not to make the putting on of apparel their adorning, 1 Pt. 3:3. 3. That God is to be acknowledged with thankfulness, not only in giving us food, but in giving us clothes also, ch. 28:20. The wool and the flax are his, as well as the corn and the wine, Hos. 2:9. 4. These coats of skin had a significancy. The beasts whose skins they were must be slain, slain before their eyes, to show them what death is, and (as it is Eccl. 3:18) that they may see that they themselves were beasts, mortal and dying. It is supposed that they were slain, not for food, but for sacrifice, to typify the great sacrifice, which, in the latter end of the world, should be offered once for all. Thus the first thing that died was a sacrifice, or Christ in a figure, who is therefore said to be the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. These sacrifices were divided between God and man, in token of reconciliation: the flesh was offered to God, a whole burnt-offering; the skins were given to man for clothing, signifying that, Jesus Christ having offered himself to God a sacrifice of a sweet-smelling savour, we are to clothe ourselves with his righteousness as with a garment, that the shame of our nakedness may not appear. Adam and Eve made for themselves aprons of fig-leaves, a covering too narrow for them to wrap themselves in, Isa. 28:20. Such are all the rags of our own righteousness. But God made them coats of skins; large, and strong, and durable, and fit for them; such is the righteousness of Christ. Therefore put on the Lord Jesus Christ.

 2008/9/4 12:35
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Wow! 33 Replies 2242 Views

This thread sure got a lot of folks attention, but not many wanted to key in. :-)


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Roniya wrote:
Michael, thank you for this post.

I have to wonder that if Christian men were more honest with their sisters about the effects defrauding dress has on them, if we wouldn't see an overall change in the dress of Christian women. I know that it goes both ways, some women know exactly what they're doing when they dress provocatively, but there are others who may know that their clothes are immodest but have no clue what the implications of it are because the men around them are silent and say nothing about it. I'm not really sure [i]why[/i] Christian men allow their wives and daughters to wear swim suits or provocative clothing in the public, but I have to ask the question, are women being protected when they're allowed to expose themselves in that way? Is it because of pride that men are silent? And are sisters prepared to humbly receive truth from their brothers?

I don't understand why there is so much silence...but it makes me all the more grateful when a brother does stand up and share from his perspective in this area.










Women do know what they are doing when they dress like this but I'm not sure that they are ALWAYS trying to attract men, show up the other women or if it's just insecurity and nothing else or everything combined. First of all if you attend a modern day contemporary church and your the preacher's wife for some reason these women feel like they have to look better than the rest of the women in the church and it can get really ugly and I've witnessed it, like a beauty contest where the other contestant puts baby oil in your hairspray.

The fact of the matter is that you can only do so much to yourself physically and if you don't have it than you don;t have it. After that you begin to see the fits of jealousy and envy and their carnal husbands if they are carnal are getting a kick out of the whole thing. Than these women will try and accentuate what they do have all the more and it's us sitting in the pews (especially the men)who have to endure all of this especially if they (the women)are worship leaders. Since she's the pastors wife she thinks she has to out-do everyone else. That means dress sexier, smile bigger, walk faster in those heals (careful not to trip or it's all over for you baby), jump higher, shout louder, wave your hands faster (careful to lift them high), talk faster and oh what a production. And me YES, I do in the flesh get a kick out of this and YES in the flesh I think it's hilarious but in the spirit it's all disgusting in the eyes of God and even the world.

I've see everything lately from four inch, high heal, leapard skin, pumps to four inch, high heel, candy red, pantent leather, pumps :-P :-P but none of the women who were wearing them were physically attractive at all to the point even the carnal men were disappointed and than off the go in their Sunday worst home to duke it out with their husband who was looking at some other women and why should she get mad doesn't she know she is causing other men and women to stumble herself??? :-(

 2008/9/4 16:19









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I posted this on my xanga site:

"Aren't you disgusted with the way some women dress in church? One woman said that she wondered if they realized the effect of the way they were dressing had on men. It's possible that some do not but I believe most do and do not care. It makes you wonder why they do this. Why not dress like this for your husband at home behind closed doors? Why do you have to dress like this in church and for whom are you dressing? I don't want to pass judgement but I think these are legitimate questions that women need to ask themselves. I have seen alot lately as I know many have, too much that I do not care to see, thank you very much. We're not at all interested and looking at what you've got, we for the most part atleast just want to focus on the Lord. After all if a man wanted to lust he could go to a porn site at home (GOD FORBID) but he is here to try and take his mind off all that. We see it at work and everywhere we go do we have to look at your partially clothed sleazy wardrobe here too? Again not passing judgement but just ask God to search your heart because you will find that you are being used as a tool of the enemy. If you love the world than you are at enmnity with God."



 2008/9/8 10:17









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Rivqah wrote:
I posted this on my xanga site:

"Aren't you disgusted with the way some women dress in church? One woman said that she wondered if they realized the effect of the way they were dressing had on men. It's possible that some do not but I believe most do and do not care. It makes you wonder why they do this. Why not dress like this for your husband at home behind closed doors? Why do you have to dress like this in church and for whom are you dressing? I don't want to pass judgement but I think these are legitimate questions that women need to ask themselves. I have seen alot lately as I know many have, too much that I do not care to see, thank you very much. We're not at all interested and looking at what you've got, we for the most part atleast just want to focus on the Lord. After all if a man wanted to lust he could go to a porn site at home (GOD FORBID) but he is here to try and take his mind off all that. We see it at work and everywhere we go do we have to look at your partially clothed sleazy wardrobe here too? Again not passing judgement but just ask God to search your heart because you will find that you are being used as a tool of the enemy. If you love the world than you are at enmity with God."






We'll I hope I don't get in trouble...I just posted this on our church websight for everyone in the congregation to see...PRAY FOR ME PLEASE!!!...Seriously brothers and sisters, I need prayer!

 2008/9/8 11:25









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Oh and I don't regret doing it either but I could use the prayer.

 2008/9/8 11:58
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 Re: Modest Swimwear

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ginnyrose wrote:

It is a garb I do not have to be afraid who sees me nor do I experience any reluctance to ask the LORD for his protection while dressed like this!



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theopenlife wrote:

A few years before I came, I think they required women to wear shorts and t-shirts over their one-piece suits. By the time I got there, in 2002, they had just begun allowing women to wear "modest" two pieces without coverings. (No two-piece is modest, and, in my opinion, a one-piece is only as modest as that woman is unattractive.) By the time I left in 2005, girls at this bible college were not only wearing the scantest of two pieces but stalked about the campus in next to nothing as well. If a typical swimsuit isn't immodest, what is? What does it say of bible education coming from men who can't realize this and do something about it?



Here we two examples of the extremes of Christianity and in my view both are wrong.

Legalism can rare it's head in the areas of clothing, music, hairstyles, and the use of cosmetics. Legalism comes into play when we decide that our standard in these areas is the correct standard and demand that everyone else abide by our standard, looking down on them or even considering them unspiritual if they do not.

Liberalism can also rare it's head in the areas of clothing, music, hairstyles, and the use of cosmetics. Liberalism comes into play when we decide that there is no real standard and if anyone says anything different then they don't understand God's grace and are missing the mark.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, And on their heart also will I write them: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people.

If you are truly born again you will know God's laws. You will know what is right and what is wrong. You will not need anyone one to tell you to dress this or that way your heart will guide you in way you should dress.

Holiness is not something you earn it's a character of God. God tells us be Holy as I am Holy. Many people try to be Holy but they will never get there in there own strength as only God is Holy. Holiness must be a work of the spirit there can be no other way but through the spirit. Can anyone say they are equal to God?

This is what I am finding in my own life it does not matter how I try I will never get to the standard that God expects from me. I must seek him to make me Holy, I must ask as in all my trying I will never to it. I have came to the conclusion that I stink, that I am unclean and there is no way that I can ever reach the standard that God requires. I never will manage so I must cry out to God and say.

Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?

I thank you God for Jesus the Christ that I am a son of God and he will hear my cry and will come down to deliver me and make me Holy.

Ginny if I had been one the guards while you white water rafting I would have put you in with the people that wore the least amount of clothes just to see how you would react.

Remember Jesus came to seek that what was lost.


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