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Compton
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 Re: Carter Conlon

Hi Brethren,

I listened to the Juxtaposition of Carter Conlon and Joyce Meyers preachng. As we consider the spiritual darkness that seems to have frozen the American Church, and try to imagine what kind of 'miracle' it will take to thaw us from our ice age, from the coast to coast glacier that we are imprisoned in...consider this compliation the very kind of hot spring from heaven we need.

Although I have personally known many Christian friends and family members who felt the way Carter Conlon did in this sermon...it startles me to admit I have never once sat under a preacher...or even heard a preacher say anything close to this message. I am not talking of course about Sermon Index, or Sermon Audio resources...I am talking about the churches I have attended ever since I was a little boy.

Or should I say 'ziggarauts' I've attended.

Recently when I challenge the endless building programs of our churches I have been accused of judging. When I become teary over the lack of eternity in our churches I am accused of speaking from some personal hurt. When I turn down requests to play in praise bands (sic) I am suspected of not being a worshipper. When I say that church is not a community of believers and unbelievers alike but a communion of the saints in Christ, I am accused of not 'reaching out..."

In these days as the hour grows more desperate, I am amazed to witness that it grows more luxurious and decadent for the church. It is a baffling mystery to me. The two latest Barnum Polls reveal that in all points of character and conduct the evangelical church is absolutely no different then the world...except that Christians are statistically slightly more addicted to porn then the world...probably because many of us are too white washed to commit open adultery.

Perhaps some of us do say these things out of judgment or hurt...but not of our own and not on our behalf. Brethren, like many here, graced with a love for the Church, even the worldly churches we have grown up in... we turn our faces like flints towards heaven and occasionally create sparks of friction amidst our friends. Their offense is reasonable...afterall they knew us when we joined in their celebrations. By the waters of Babylon we sat... and celebrated.

I am only a mild person...admittedly filled with unbelieving fear and prideful self-consciousness. I can imagine if there was a bolder man here, there might actually be a flame to help thaw the church in these parts. This is why I am so thankful for preaching like Carter Conlon...how the Christian soul in America is starved and malnourished from a lack of such shepherding! Forgive my sharing here...it helps to tap out morse code in the darkness now and then and recieve a confirmation.

Inspite of my weakness, I am left with a conclusion that perhaps many teachers of the finer points of the law may disagree with...affluence corrupts the Church. Let's not be clever and argue that it's not money that is the root of evil, but our love of it...money supplies it's own love with carnal people. It is wise to mistrust it because it changes what ever it touches in excess. Baking Soda may say that it can touch vinegar without changing but that would be the Baking Soda speaking...soon after mixing with vinegar the Baking Soda would be changed into something else that sees the world in a whole new way. It wouldn't even remember it's former state of existence. So it is with Christians who think they are stronger then money.

"We can stand affliction better then we can prosperity, for in prosperity we forget God." Dwight Moody.

"When I have any money, I rid of it as quickly as possible, lest it find a way into my heart". John Wesley

MC




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Mike Compton

 2007/2/25 11:05Profile









 Re: The Poor in spirit

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Matthew 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

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Matthew 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

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1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

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1 Corinthians 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

The poor IN spirit(contrite) is what Jesus is looking for. Certainly we should feed the poor. When I was poor, I thank God that someone gave to the soup kitchen that kept me living. But I have met alot of proudful poor people. Athiest, boastful, I found them no different than those who had money. I've spoken to them about Jesus Christ, and some didn't want to hear about Him. So I began to learn what Jesus was referring to about the poor, and it's the "Poor in spirit". Sell all that you are as a person, in other words, DIE!! And then rise again as a new man in Christ Jesus, and then go and feed the poor in spirit the engrafted word of God.

Am I saying that we should neglect the actual poor? God forbid, lets just look at the words of Jesus differently than with our own natural eyes. Because if we are to take them literally, our hands would be cut off and our eyes would be plucked out.

If you want to sell all that you have, you'll only get them again sometime down the road. It's not the material things that is binding you, it's the sin nature. Unless the Holy Spirit has given you a direct order to sell all, you should keep what you have until that time. After a while, you'll become resentful towards God because you did what the bible says and your not going anywhere. No flesh is going to glory in His presense.

 2007/2/25 12:21
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 Re: Yikes

[url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14488&forum=35]Zac Poonen [/url]

Interesting to find this thread at the same time of this recent message preached by Zac Poonen that I would heartedly recommened (There is a video linked in the above).

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This will be very uncomfortable to face. Many of you won't believe this. Some may even want to lash out at me in anger. This word is even printed across the forhead of Keith and Melody Green as they smile for the camera with thier fingers forming a cross. Please note!! I am NOT accusing the Greens of any sin or evil. Keith Green was a brother whose heart was after God. NO QUESTION! His music has ministered to me for years. Never the less, the printed covers of his albums still had this subliminal text implanted on it. This is just an example. It wouldn't matter which gospel artist's album you look at. This stuff was there in most if not all.


Brother, is this not the sort of sensationalism that just contradicts the very import of whatever else might be rightly said? Where do we find these kinds of things and then go on to make the insinuation of gullible Christians stick like a label that is then warranted ... It is not to say that there is no truth to subliminal advertising, in fact in our day the subliminal hardly needs a leg up when it is so blantantly obvious and put forth with no disguise whatsoever. It's plain and right out in the open for the most part.

MC, once again you have spoken the same heart cries ...


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Mike Balog

 2007/2/25 13:12Profile









 Re: Carter Conlon + Joyce Meyer

I never realised that Joyce Meyer was a prosperity preacher! Are you sure the recorded words were in context?

Heard her on a friend's TV a few times but she seemed to be saying some good stuff, very practical and down to earth Christianity.

Mmmm

Carter Conlan sounds very good, though never heard of him before! Will folloow up that site...

Jeannette

 2007/2/25 13:47
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bro Doug
you may want to read this about him on wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_Hill

i read the opening post and i have to ask, what makes you think that these friends of his were demons?how did you come to this conclusion? has God not given His angels charge over us and do they not work in our lives as they once did? or has God changed and so stopped this?

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Napoleon Hill was a demon possessed fool!



that is a pretty harsh accusation. did Christ not say that to call a brother a fool is to risk being cast into the lake of fire? are you not also risking your salvation by using that word? or perhaps i am misapplying what Christ said?

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Brother, I agree that some people are given a gift of generosity and wealth from the Lord, but if you try to use ANY, and I mean ANY of the methods Hill espouses you are risking your very salvation! WAKE UP!



such as first conceiving what you want to do, and focusing on it until it is done? then surely we all would be in such danger! do we not all set a goal and strive for it? or am i misreading you? does everything not start off as an idea, a concept which is then worked out moment by moment until it reaches fruition? is this not how God created? my only problem with such is if the concept is if it doesn't come from God Himself. Israel never gained wealth from it falling from the sky, they had to strive, God opened doors but they had to walk through.

bro Doug and all, i would ask though as i did in the first post:

why do we want wealth? for ourselves or for God's use?

do we gain wealth by shady means or honest?


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Farai Bamu

 2007/2/25 14:41Profile
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 Re:

bro Chris

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ChrisJD wrote:
Hi everyone. This may not seem related but I wanted to offer it as a gentle word of exhortation for us to consider.

It has to do with two things that I think I've begun to learn and retain:


[i]God tests us on the things He teaches us[/i]


[i]God tests us on the things we teach others[/i]


All grace and sufficiency be with your spirits in Jesus.




He does indeed!


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 Re:

bro MC

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I listened to the Juxtaposition of Carter Conlon and Joyce Meyers preachng. As we consider the spiritual darkness that seems to have frozen the American Church, and try to imagine what kind of 'miracle' it will take to thaw us from our ice age, from the coast to coast glacier that we are imprisoned in...consider this compliation the very kind of hot spring from heaven we need.



OUCH! much of the church is concerned with what is here and now in a manner which is completely unhealthy. We ought to be seeking the Kingdom (God's will) and all else would fall into place. For us to be thawed out of this fascination with the here and now, the here and now must be shattered before us in a way that there can be no leaning on it any more. only a slap from the hand of God can wake us now. the prophets have gone forth with the word of repentance which (as in times past) was largly ignored, the only thing left is judgment, but it always works.

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Recently when I challenge the endless building programs of our churches I have been accused of judging. When I become teary over the lack of eternity in our churches I am accused of speaking from some personal hurt. When I turn down requests to play in praise bands (sic) I am suspected of not being a worshipper. When I say that church is not a community of believers and unbelievers alike but a communion of the saints in Christ, I am accused of not 'reaching out..."



you know, the organized Church has oft embarked on different programs (building or otherwise) which rather than make much of an impact about people's state in eternity, soothe the conscience. we ought to judge alright, if Holy Spirit is calling us to speak out, we ought to. to be concerned for eternity (or the lack of its preaching) is indeed for us who are concerned for eternity out of a personal hurt. For us to be so deeply concerned about eternity is to see it from God's own standpoint, it is personal for Him and so it is for us. To get us focused on eternity at this stage the only thing there is is the abasament of the present before our very eyes.

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In these days as the hour grows more desperate, I am amazed to witness that it grows more luxurious and decadent for the church. It is a baffling mystery to me. The two latest Barnum Polls reveal that in all points of character and conduct the evangelical church is absolutely no different then the world...except that Christians are statistically slightly more addicted to porn then the world...probably because many of us are too white washed to commit open adultery.



indeed we as Christians have so much to be purged of. we expect and God does too, wickedness from the world, but in the Church, that is a frightful thing because it also gives occasion for the world to blaspheme and reject God because we're not acting right as His ambassadors.

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Perhaps some of us do say these things out of judgment or hurt...but not of our own and not on our behalf. Brethren, like many here, graced with a love for the Church, even the worldly churches we have grown up in... we turn our faces like flints towards heaven and occasionally create sparks of friction amidst our friends. Their offense is reasonable...afterall they knew us when we joined in their celebrations. By the waters of Babylon we sat... and celebrated.



yes but now God has gotten hold of us and we see as He sees and weep and mourn. unless God so quickens those around us in the same way, they aren't going to see it. this is a tragedy of our situation, we don't even know we need to be saved unless God quickens us to it...

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I am only a mild person...admittedly filled with unbelieving fear and prideful self-consciousness. I can imagine if there was a bolder man here, there might actually be a flame to help thaw the church in these parts. This is why I am so thankful for preaching like Carter Conlon...how the Christian soul in America is starved and malnourished from a lack of such shepherding! Forgive my sharing here...it helps to tap out morse code in the darkness now and then and recieve a confirmation.



i see an unlikely candidate for His use in you! Perfect! i feel the same but God will set us on fire in His time.

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Inspite of my weakness, I am left with a conclusion that perhaps many teachers of the finer points of the law may disagree with...affluence corrupts the Church. Let's not be clever and argue that it's not money that is the root of evil, but our love of it...money supplies it's own love with carnal people. It is wise to mistrust it because it changes what ever it touches in excess. Baking Soda may say that it can touch vinegar without changing but that would be the Baking Soda speaking...soon after mixing with vinegar the Baking Soda would be changed into something else that sees the world in a whole new way. It wouldn't even remember it's former state of existence. So it is with Christians who think they are stronger then money



i still feel though that money is neutral and can't corrupt anyone unless it is inherent in that person to be so corrupted by money. Money only amplifies what one already is. with some saints who know what they are should be rightly wary of money because they will act out once they get hold of a big chunk of it. Obviously we all need money else we wouldn't work.

on the first quote from Dwight Moody:
indeed, i believe this is why the early Church didn't have much by way of wealth but shared whatever little they had and God honored it for they wanted not for anything.

on the second one from Wesley, this is where God is taking me, to stewardship and the giving out of wealth to the saints in need. God has long been purging me of my fleshly lusts for things and you don't know how much crap you have until it's time for purging...i bless God for His preparing me for such.


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 Re:

Ironman,

This is the first passage of scripture the Lord gave me to read today. I was not thinking of you when I turned to it, neither am I familiar enough with this book to know ahead of time what it would say. I stand behind my statements. The pope thinks he's a Christian too. I have done my duty to you before the Lord. I truly hope you get some discernment before it is too late and you have opened yourself up to spiritual forces of deception. Arguing the point is pointless.

The Watchman and His Message

Ezekial 33:1-11 Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: 'When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, 3 when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, 4 then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head. 5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. 6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand.'
7 "So you, son of man: I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore you shall hear a word from My mouth and warn them for Me. 8 When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man, you shall surely die!' and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. 9 Nevertheless if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
10 "Therefore you, O son of man, say to the house of Israel: 'Thus you say, "If our transgressions and our sins lie upon us, and we pine away in them, how can we then live?"' 11 Say to them: 'As I live,' says the Lord God, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?'

In Christ,

Doug


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 2007/2/25 19:32Profile
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 Re: Think and Grow Rich

There is a reason that I posted what I posted. In war, and we are at war, it is important to understand the tactics of your enemy. Finding the means to communicate the depth of what I need to say regarding this area is taking some time. I ask for your patience before drawing conclusions and calling me a sensationalist. Take a step back, please!

A major goal of the devil is to create a deep sense of insecurity in the inner man of every man, woman and child on this planet. The subliminal advertising is one of his major methods. he is succeeding. The level of societal neuroticism today is staggering! Can we not recognize that our culture is going over the edge as compared to let's say the 50's?

Keith Green (yes, that Keith Green) wrote a song titled "No one believes in me anymore". It was written as though the devil himself were exulting in our lack of discernment.

Believe me brethren. I did not want to start this thread. I have recognized this since the early 80's and have resisted being obedient in communicating it ever since. But the word He gave me out of Isaiah 62 is "I can no longer hold my peace."

Soon I will get back to adding another "chapter" to this thread, I hope the application to us as Christians will begin to get a little clearer at that time.

In His Love,

Doug


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 Re:

bro Doug
ok then, i will read it for myself and see for myself. i asked some direct questions of you which you didn't respond to and i hope you do if God leads. at any rate it has been made clear to me by God what this wealth is for and with that in mind, i'll do what He has asked me to do.

what is it exactly do you think i should be wary of in terms of being deceived?

have you considered maybe you may be deceived perhaps?

not being combative but trying to get at what exactly has you so concerned.


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