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crsschk
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"The decline of Secular AND Christian music"

Should this be retitled, "The increase of bitter sentiment unnoticed"?

Dare anyone look closer at the heart of the matter, taking stock how much of this is based on personal preference and opinion, just what is being churned backed out into contention. Something indeed is wrong with this picture, the spirit behind it ...


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Mike Balog

 2006/11/14 7:42Profile









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Ormly... I thought I would point out that several of Keith's songs have found there way into a couple of hymnals, as well as many many praise and worship song books. I would consider that to be a statement to the lasting value of the music he wrote.

And here it is... 2006, and we're still talking about a man who died in a plane crash in 1983. Keith's name always comes up in every discussion about music I've ever been involved in on this board. On this very website, where you are saying you never heard of him, there are several recorded teachings that he gave. Heck, his picture is on the first page that comes up when you come to this website.

So, regardless of whether [i]you[/i] have heard of him or not, a whole generation of believers have, and are still impacted by his music, his articles, and his audio teachings.

All this... from a man who [i]gave his music away[/i] for whatever a person could afford. He asked his record company to release him from his contract because he believed he would be sinning if he sold his music... he believed the gospel should be free. He rejected any awards that people wanted to give him. In his final year he turned down many offers to appear in concert in order to go to the mission field. When he came back he preached hard for missions... and then he went home to be with Jesus.

There is a list of poeple I want to meet when I get to heaven... and Keith Green is numero uno. (Other than Jesus, of course)

I think if you spent some time reading his articles (which are available on line for free), and get to know the man before you just write him off because you havent heard of him... you might be surprised. Pleasantly, I might add. And I believe you might actually find that in some modern music, there can be both creativity and ministry combined.

Krispy

 2006/11/14 8:33









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Ok --- Like I said, he might be and you say he is, an ok guy. I won't argue with that.

Relax crsschk


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 2006/11/14 11:45









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Ormly... you seem to be saying that if someone does something of eternal signifigance (I think I just butchered that spelling!) then everyone will have heard about it.

I dont think thats true at all. Now, Keith's few short years as a believer has effected millions around the world, especially when you considered that the Lord used him to inspire thousands to become missionaries.... who then impact others all over the world.

What about the rural backwoods preacher who has a 75 member church? No one outside the community has ever heard of him... but there he is. Preaching the Word. Impacting lives in his little community. World-wide fame is not the benchmark for God's glory in a person's life. Even Keith loathed the fame that came along with his particular brand of ministry. He saw it as a hinderence to God's work, and to his personal walk. It was a catch-22 for him. In order for God's message to get out, He gave Keith an audience... rather LARGE audience... but some folks put him on a pedestal... and Keith struggled with pride... but without an audience God's message couldnt go forth.

Krispy

 2006/11/14 13:16
PTywama3
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crsschk wrote:
"The decline of Secular AND Christian music"

Should this be retitled, "The increase of bitter sentiment unnoticed"?

Dare anyone look closer at the heart of the matter, taking stock how much of this is based on personal preference and opinion, just what is being churned backed out into contention. Something indeed is wrong with this picture, the spirit behind it ...



I think I agree, and I admit I haven't been a helpful influence.

Sorry Krispy...


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David Reynolds

 2006/11/14 18:19Profile
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I think it could be said that Keith Green's impact had more to do with his heart then his art. He was a talented guy for sure, but if well-crafted music was all he brought to the church (and world), he probably would have been only a minor blip in the history of contemporary Christian music.

It just goes to show you that, when it's all said and done, the quality of our music is not nearly as important as the quality of our walk with the Lord!

Blessings,

MC


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Mike Compton

 2006/11/14 18:57Profile









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MC... I agree with you. Notice that while discussing Keith, none of us really talked much about his music. We talked about his preaching, his attitude toward the recording industry, his heart for missions...

Krispy

 2006/11/15 7:03
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Notice that while discussing Keith, none of us really talked much about his music



I think Keith Green would like that. ;-)

Blessings,

MC


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Mike Compton

 2006/11/15 9:57Profile
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I think Keith Green would like that.


I totally agree.

IMHO:Keith's music was a personal expression of Worship that exhibited his love for Christ. The fact that it was Holy Spirit filled and God blessed, drew people near to him so that he could share with them the message of salvation. Keith would probably tell you [and he will one day] that his music was Christ's secondary gift to him. His ability to tell of the wonderous Love of Christ was the first and foremost in his mind.


This is how it is for me when I worship Christ publicly. Whether in the pew, speaking on the platform or singing in the spotlight...I sing for an audience of one...I seek to be invisible to allow the pure light Christ to shine through me and draw people to Him...I'm only a conduit of His power.


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bill schnippert

 2006/11/16 8:40Profile
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 Re: live by the rules

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It’s the toleration of the mixture that should be noted as the handicap we face and have to submit to if we are to "get along", not in the name of Christ but in the name of unity and consideration for the seeker who will only remain if his/hers self-satisfying sensibilties are placated.


In a democracy he who gets the most votes wins. That’s just the way we operate, including the church. As long as we run our churches that way, and want to remain a part of it, we have to live by the rules we ourselves have supported: the majority rules. If we end up in the minority, tough for us! We who don't like the stream - what should we expect! Different rules all of a sudden?

You see what I’m getting at? We can easily point to modern trend-setters as the culprits, but really we are part of the problem. We taught them the rules for the game. … a long time ago…

Consider our goals as evangelicals – to ‘win’ the masses. Think of the gimmicks that were around years ago. Compromise has been going on for at least 50 years – maybe much longer…. Maybe always.






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Diane

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