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Ormly... are you suggesting that only David was allowed to sing a new song unto the Lord? I hope I'm reading that wrong. The way I interpret that, that is a human response to the glory of God. It would seem to me that when any of us experience salvation, and begin to live for God... the response is praise and adoration. Thus, a new song. To say that it only applies to David is, to me anyway, a gross misinterpretation of scripture.

Can you clarify what you meant?

Also.... you said:

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Sure, just don't call it worship.



Well, that was kinda my point. It's not worship. Exactly.

By the way, true worship is not about music anyway. It's about seperating ourselves unto God and living in obedience to Him. That is true worship. We are to worship Him in spirit and in truth. There are many things that can spin off of that, which i do not have time to get into. But the core of worship is obedience.

If we're not obedient everyday, all day long... we're wasting our time on Sunday. Like Keith Green sang:

[i]To obey is better than sacrifice.
I want more than Sunday and Wednesday nights,
Cause if you can't come to Me every day,
Then don't bother coming at all.[/i]

Krispy

 2006/11/13 13:13
BenBrockway
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KrispyKrittr wrote:
Ormly... are you suggesting that only David was allowed to sing a new song unto the Lord? I hope I'm reading that wrong. The way I interpret that, that is a human response to the glory of God. It would seem to me that when any of us experience salvation, and begin to live for God... the response is praise and adoration. Thus, a new song. To say that it only applies to David is, to me anyway, a gross misinterpretation of scripture.

Can you clarify what you meant?

Also.... you said:

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Sure, just don't call it worship.



Well, that was kinda my point. It's not worship. Exactly.

By the way, true worship is not about music anyway. It's about seperating ourselves unto God and living in obedience to Him. That is true worship. We are to worship Him in spirit and in truth. There are many things that can spin off of that, which i do not have time to get into. But the core of worship is obedience.

If we're not obedient everyday, all day long... we're wasting our time on Sunday. Like Keith Green sang:

[i]To obey is better than sacrifice.
I want more than Sunday and Wednesday nights,
Cause if you can't come to Me every day,
Then don't bother coming at all.[/i]

Krispy




Amen, again Krispy!!!!

 2006/11/13 13:20Profile









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KrispyKrittr wrote:
Ormly... are you suggesting that only David was allowed to sing a new song unto the Lord? I hope I'm reading that wrong.



Words mean something. So why would you suppose I even suggested what you think I said from what I wrote?

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The way I interpret that, that is a human response to the glory of God. It would seem to me that when any of us experience salvation, and begin to live for God... the response is praise and adoration.



Maybe --- is it? It only is, if it is. For David, it was. Your words [or tune] may never necessarily be my words. My words may be different than yours. If I am moved by yours, fine. Just don't sing it 20 times in a service or until I get the message YOU think I need to understand and call it all creative. Get my drift?
David had a testimony to support what he wrote and sung.

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Thus, a new song. To say that it only applies to David is, to me anyway, a gross misinterpretation of scripture.



If you can join him from a heart as his, as I have so often done, that's good.

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Can you clarify what you meant?



I hope I just did.



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Also.... you said:

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Sure, just don't call it worship.



Well, that was kinda my point. It's not worship. Exactly.



But it should always be when in the congregation --- and even personal private times, as well.

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By the way, true worship is not about music anyway. It's about seperating ourselves unto God and living in obedience to Him. That is true worship. We are to worship Him in spirit and in truth. There are many things that can spin off of that, which i do not have time to get into. But the core of worship is obedience.



Words to live by, for sure.

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If we're not obedient everyday, all day long... we're wasting our time on Sunday. Like Keith Green sang:

[i]To obey is better than sacrifice.
I want more than Sunday and Wednesday nights,
Cause if you can't come to Me every day,
Then don't bother coming at all.[/i]

Krispy


:-D

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Wonderful! Who is Keith Green? :-?

 2006/11/13 13:45
BenBrockway
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Ormly wrote:
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Create away... just don't call it, "of God".




So what your saying is that everything that you or I, or anyone else does is not of God? A godly man or woman that creates a business, or the one that writes a book, or the one that paints a picture, carves wood, or builds a church structure is not of God??? Is this what you are saying?????

:-(

 2006/11/13 13:59Profile
BenBrockway
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Posts: 427


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Ormly wrote:

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If we're not obedient everyday, all day long... we're wasting our time on Sunday. Like Keith Green sang:

[i]To obey is better than sacrifice.
I want more than Sunday and Wednesday nights,
Cause if you can't come to Me every day,
Then don't bother coming at all.[/i]

Krispy


:-D

{/quote]

Wonderful! Who is Keith Green? :-?



Keith Green is one for which you have placed in the category as "Not of God!"

 2006/11/13 14:02Profile
roadsign
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 Re: establishing parameters in creativity

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Create away... just don't call it, "of God".


Just sneaking in here with some questions for whomever - questions I’m wondering about myself:

The terms “creative” and “of God” mean many different things. How would you establish what is “creative” or “of God”? How do you decide what is NOT “creative?”, What is NOT “of God?”

There is another issue that comes to mind: What to do with the creative expressions of others - that may be valid, but not presentable?

Example:

I once taught a child in Sunday School who would draw nice pictures and then paint them all black. He was expressing the turmoil of his heart (domestic troubles). It was HIS world, and he was crying out through his art. I had to accept that, and acknowledge it. But I did not display any of it on the bulletin board. I felt it was unloving to expose him that way.

Whouldn't it be like that with music? You have to accept someone's work as valid for him, but then excercise discrimination re public presentation. That takes discernment.

Diane


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Diane

 2006/11/13 14:12Profile
BenBrockway
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Ormly wrote:

Maybe --- is it? It only is, if it is. For David, it was. Your words [or tune] may never necessarily be my words. My words may be different than yours. If I am moved by yours, fine. Just don't sing it 20 times in a service or until I get the message YOU think I need to understand and call it all creative. Get my drift?
David had a testimony to support what he wrote and sung.

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Thus, a new song. To say that it only applies to David is, to me anyway, a gross misinterpretation of scripture.



If you can join him from a heart as his, as I have so often done, that's good.




WHAT? Ormly, you are jumping back and forth. You say things like, "Worship cannot be creative," "Those were David's words,"and "You can't sing David's words," and yet you then say, "If you can join him from a heart as his, as I have so often done, that's good." Huh???? So we can't sing David's songs, because only to him they were worship, but you can sing his songs and have it worship? And we don't know his heart, but you do? Wow!! Putting yourself on a pedestal aren't you?

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Your words [or tune] may never necessarily be my words. My words may be different than yours. If I am moved by yours, fine.



Wait...what? So we can't be creative according to most of your posts, but now in this post we can? Saying "YOUR words [or tune] implies creativity, to which you also said, " If I am moved by yours, fine."

Ok, so let me get this straight. You can't be creative, but you can. You can't write songs to the Lord, but you can. You can't worship by your feet, mouth or hands, because it's not of God, but you can. And even though songs were repeated all throughout Scripture, and there were musicians all throughout Scripture leading people in new and old songs, we can't do that? So, I guess the Scripture, "God is the same yesterday, today and forever," doesn't apply? He can be delighted by his worshippers back then, but He isn't allowed to be delighted by His worshippers today?

 2006/11/13 14:20Profile









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Words mean something. So why would you suppose I even suggested what you think I said from what I wrote?



Dude... thats why I asked for clarification instead of roasting you on the spot!

Krispy

 2006/11/13 14:22









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Wonderful! Who is Keith Green?



You wouldnt like him... he had long bushy hair and wrote Christian rock. 8-)

http://www.lastdaysministries.org/ will tell you all about him.

Krispy

 2006/11/13 14:24









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Oh... I forgot to mention... Keith was very... uhmm... how should I say this? ... ok, I'll just spit it out... Keith Green was very creative!

There, I said it!

Krispy :-P

 2006/11/13 14:37





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