Twice dead. That is, either meaning that they are seen to be dead in two successive seasons, showing that there is no hope that they will revive and be valuable; or, using the word twice to denote emphasis, meaning that they are absolutely or altogether dead. Perhaps the idea is, that successive summers and winters have passed over them, and that no signs of life appear. That is not loosing ones salvation.This also has nothing to do with loosing our salvation: Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.The second death is for those that have died and are resurrected after the millennium and are sent to the lake of fire and die twice along with Satan and all his own. The Jude scripture has all three meanings possible and not a improper relation to loosing our salvation by Christ being birthed in the believer and then being aborted by God and not making the Cross good enough for those that are saved.Jude is not making the die twice the death of a Christ One that has sinned. Christ in you is the only hope of Glory and God is not going to give someone to Christ and then take him away.John 6:40This would be the evidence that we were given to God, and this would be evidence conclusive that we will be saved. If this explanation of the Saviour had always been attended to, the doctrine of election would not have been abused as it has been. Sinners would not sit down in unconcern, saying that if they are given to Christ all will be well. They would have arisen like the prodigal, and would have gone to God; and, having believed on the Saviour, they would then have had evidence that they were given to Him--the evidence resulting from an humble, penitent, believing heart--and then they might rejoice in the assurance that Jesus would lose none that were given to him, but would raise it up at the last day.John 6:39 Should not have should in it. John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me , that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing , but should raise it up again at the last day .It SHOULD read for "I should loose" I will not destroy, die, lose, mar, perish. "nothing" should read exceedingly abundantly loose none. The other "should raise it" It is the same word as in John 6:40 "him" Autos; more literally: of the other persons:--her, it(-self), one, the other, (mine) own, You cannot get out of Gods Hands once you are in them, by Jesus Christ in us. We are not born again of our own seed.Loosing ones salvation is the epitome of non belief and the lie of Satan, surely you will be your own god. If you can get out of God's hands He is not God and His Christ means nothing. Man can loose his own salvation but he cannot loose God's salvation by Christ in you the Hope of Glory.In Christ: Phillip
_________________Phillip
Phillip said:
Loosing ones salvation is the epitome of non belief and the lie of Satan, surely you will be your own god. If you can get out of God's hands [b]He is not God and His Christ means nothing[/b].
Dorcas,QuoteHebrews 10:26 - 29For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 2 Peter 2:20, 21For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. I have always understood these verses directed primariy to the Jewish converts, the audience of the two books. When the Jewish converts return to Judaism, ( which probably indicates that their belief was not of faith to begin with , they were like 'switching' religions only) , they would then 'lose' their stance in Christ. ?!mamaluk
Phillip,
Twice dead. That is, either meaning that they are seen to be dead in two successive seasons
using the word twice to denote emphasis, meaning that they are absolutely or altogether dead
Loosing ones salvation is the epitome of non belief and the lie of Satan, surely you will be your own god. If you can get out of God's hands He is not God and His Christ means nothing.
_________________Adam Ramsey
But you see Adam was not a birthed son of God, under the old testament and Law one lost his salvation by not being able to keep the law. The Law Himself is now birthed in us. Adam was only a created being given every opportunity to please God by every means that God gave then and they could not please God. The only pleasing being to God is Christ Jesus the fulfillment of the Law and all else that pleases God. Jesus Christ is the one born again into a new race of people. If God in not the life of the believer, not born again person can loose the life of God, it is no longer his to loose. Its God's, bought and paid for by the pearl of Great price that will never die again.Loosing ones salvation is the epitome of unbelief, loosing the perfect gift of God is the living in the unbelief that one can loose the Son of God birthed in him, taking away the peace of God that He gives, not as the world gives by keeping the law and making himself presentable to God for salvation and if not loosing it. Salvation is Christ in you the hope of glory, it is not our choice to receive it or loose it, it is the Father the planter of the Seed. Just like a child in the womb cannot tell the mom, I don't want to be born and if you give me birth, I am going to go back into the womb and not be born. I will loose my birth and there is nothing you can do about it.In Christ: Phillip
But you see Adam was not a birthed son of God, under the old testament and Law one lost his salvation by not being able to keep the law. The Law Himself is not birthed in us. Adam was only a created being given every opportunity to please God by every means that God gave then and they could not please God.
mamaluk said
I have always understood these verses directed primariy to the Jewish converts, the audience of the two books.
When the Jewish converts return to Judaism, ( which probably indicates that their belief was not of faith to begin with , they were like 'switching' religions only) , they would then 'lose' their stance in Christ. ?!
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
_________________Lisa
Election means that God has foreordained that the elect will be saved. They can never perish they will persevere. Thats all. I'd just like to see somebody submit to the teaching of scripture.1 John 3:6 Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.John 3:16 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life;John 5:24 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life,[a] and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.John 6:39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.John 10:28-29 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Fathers hand.Eph 1:13, 14 having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,1 Peter 1:4, 5 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.Phil 1:6 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;Romans 6:14 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.Phil 2:13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.1 John 2:19 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.Romans 8:38-39 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.-------------------------------------------Jesus says that whosoever believes on the Son shall never perish. But the Arminian says, Wait and see. Maybe he will go to hell.
Jude 12 talks about men "who are spots on your love feasts"...who are "twice dead."
12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about[c] by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; 13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
_________________Kristy
i just want to make sure that we all know that paul is speaking of works, not practicing sins.