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ccchhhrrriiisss
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Hi psalm1...

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There are people with prophetic callings.
The first time a teacher teaches do they look like a seasoned veteran?....NO!
The first sermon of a pastor does he sound like a seasoned veteran?...NO
Does the evangelist have the confidence of finny in his early stages?...NO

But the poor prophet is somehow not afforded this same early growth patience.

The difference is that most "prophets" are speaking for God. Verbatim. They are telling others what "[u]God[/u]" told them to say. So what happens when what they "prophesy" does NOT come to pass?

Have you ever read the story of the little boy who cried wolf?

I have never read about a prophet in either the Old Testament or New Testament mold for which their words did not come to pass (with the exception of those words for which God "repented" -- ala Jonah and Nineveh). What do you call a prophet who loudly proclaims something that never happens? Do we call such a man a "false prophet" or merely "mistaken?" What is the value of their words if much of what they say is not really from God?

The bottom line is that we should be extremely careful when we speak for God. In their defense, I don't believe that either brother Rahman or Brother IRONMAN claimed that they were prophets. I think that they left room for both disagreement and possible human error. They simply shared what they believed to be a word (or vision) from God. In many of their posts, they were careful to distinguish that this "word" was not inarguable. In fact, I have been praying in tears for both of these brethren. I believe that their motivation was clean, even if mistakes were made.

This stands as a stark contrast to the other would-be prophets who make blanket claims under the guise of "the office of a prophet." Such men need to be publicly humbled so that their flawed claims do not continue.

:-(


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Christopher

 2008/1/4 15:07Profile
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Ironmam said:

For those who are called to be apostles and prophets, acknowledge your calling and don't be afraid of it because God called you to it. At the end of the day His opinion will be the one which determines everything. Rejection comes with the work but it is not you who is being rejected (as i came to find out) but God Himself since He is the one who called you, appointed you and sent you forth. God's grace is sufficient to see His work done in us and through us, if that weren't the case, we'd be dead in the water...

brethren these 2 callings/offices/roles are dear to me because our Lord has called me to both. i say this not to seek acclaim but because God said this is what i am so i can't duck and dodge the responsibilities thereof any more.
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Ironman said:

brethren these 2 callings/offices/roles are dear to me because our Lord has called me to both.

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For your information ccchhhrrriiisss


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Colin Murray

 2008/1/4 15:33Profile









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Sounds like that particular "pastor" was actually a "carnal baby Christian", even if he'd been "saved" for many years!




Isaiah 3:
4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
5 And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable.

12 As for my people, children are their oppressors...





If this whole chapter is read, it is not saying what one may think.

We are to study to show ourselves approved, rightly dividing the word of truth..a workman who need not be ashamed.

A NT Prophet re-iterates the Truth...it doesn't come up with new and different prophecy.


No where in NT are Children to usurp authority over adults, or women over men....

No one usurps authority over anyone....as we are to serve one another, and humble ourselves ...not exalt ourselves.

I guess the NT Church doesn't really know what Carnal means....
Isaiah 3
1For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water.

2The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,

3The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor, and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.

4And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.

5And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable.

6When a man shall take hold of his brother of the house of his father, saying, Thou hast clothing, be thou our ruler, and let this ruin be under thy hand:

7In that day shall he swear, saying, I will not be an healer; for in my house is neither bread nor clothing: make me not a ruler of the people.

8For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory.

9The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

10Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.

11Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.

12As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

13The LORD standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people.

14The LORD will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people, and the princes thereof: for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses.

15What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

16Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

17Therefore the LORD will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.

18In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,

19The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,

20The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,

21The rings, and nose jewels,

22The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,

23The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.

24And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

25Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war.

26And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.

Love in Christ
Katy
;-)

PS:Added for content:

A Parallel warning in NT Times would sound like this:


2 Timothy 3
1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


 2008/1/4 15:39









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The difference is that most "prophets" are speaking for God. Verbatim. They are telling others what "God" told them to say. So what happens when what they "prophesy" does NOT come to pass?




Do you mean like the Pope?

If one stays in the written WORD, and studies to show thyself aproved...it will come to pass.

It's finished.....and it's not going to change.

God has the ears of those who belong to Him. Our Spirit should bear witness with their Spirit that what one is saying is true.

Test the spirits, because not all are of God.

How do you test the spirits????? God's Word!!

Love in Christ
Katy ;-)

 2008/1/4 15:58









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Katy-did wrote:
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Sounds like that particular "pastor" was actually a "carnal baby Christian", even if he'd been "saved" for many years!

Isaiah 3:
4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
5 And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable.

12 As for my people, children are their oppressors...



If this whole chapter is read, it is not saying what one may think.

Katy, I thought that you were saying I wasn't "rightly dividing the Word of truth", but reading the whole I don't think that's what you were saying.

At least I hope not!

Of course, I was aware that the above quotes were taken out of context, because the original context is God's punishment of unfaithful Israel.

But I believe it can be applied to the Church as well.

Do you agree?

Sorry if I didn't make that clear. No way was I saying that the Isaiah quote meant that it was a right state of affairs!

Perhaps I was reluctant to take the reference to its logical conclusion, because otherwise it could be said that the bullying pastor was a punishment to the church! That's not necessarily so - depends if the church apppointed him. And, if they did, whether they sought God re his appointment before calling him, and He said that man was the one.


in Him

Jeannette

 2008/1/4 16:25









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Katy-did wrote:

If one stays in the written WORD, and studies to show thyself aproved...it will come to pass.

It's finished.....and it's not going to change.

God has the ears of those who belong to Him. Our Spirit should bear witness with their Spirit that what one is saying is true.

Test the spirits, because not all are of God.

How do you test the spirits????? God's Word!!

Love in Christ
Katy ;-)



So it will conform to the Word - both the Spirit and letter.

Maybe that's why even some of us who tried to encourage Rahman and Ironman (including myself) still didn't feel 100% easy about the 2007 prophecy?

Blessings

Jeannette

 2008/1/4 16:40









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It's all about [b]HIM[/b].


http://watchman.net/prophetic.html



 2008/1/4 16:56









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I had to get off here a minute.

Just as I posted that link, this song played on the radio. It was so intense, the tears began to flow. Bless His Worthy Name!


[url=http://www.google.com/musics?lid=7nzIH8humUK&aid=-VgYb5jPcAF&sid=fN8h2yy6W_K&sa=X&oi=music&ct=result][b]KING OF GLORY![/b][/url]

 2008/1/4 17:09
psalm1
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I think the reason that this became a disaster for rayman and ironman is the dating. I pm'ed ironman about 6 mo ago and told him of a similar vision I'd had about two cities. I counseled with him about sharing it with yall.
I think everyone here knows the U.S. is overdue for a hit.
I truly believe the grace of God must be unfathamable for him to delay judgement.
It is possible that we will loose 2 cities , but who knows?
Time will tell.
I will say this.......Bill Clinton was the president in my vision[when we lost the 2 cities]



David

 2008/1/4 17:42Profile
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I think everyone here knows the U.S. is overdue for a hit.



I didn't know that.

MC


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