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 Studying Faith

I feel impressed to do a study on faith, particularly in Hebrews 11. I thought I would share my discoveries and I would encourage you to add any insight you may have. I’m not a teacher at all. To be honest this could very well end up being embarrassing, but we will see how it goes.

11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (KJV)

11:1 Now faith is the persuasion of the things that are in hope, as if they were in act; and [it is] the manifestness of the things not seen. (Murdock)



Now faith.. Faith is now. It is not a postponed reaction. Faith is an immediate reaction to the revelation of God. Many in this day and age would think that faith is something useful in the unseen future that might be helpful in passing over death. This is just not so. Faith must be now or it will be never.

Faith is a substance. You can image faith as something like a concrete that is mixed with God’s word, God’s Spirit, and your response. If one of the 3 things is missing it will not bind nor lay a foundation. Let us not be incomplete in not knowing the scriptures or the power of God, but let us know both and yield to both. Let that substance be one that is rock solid that no matter who or what may come it cannot be shaken. Any false rumor should be able to be laughed at by ones that are near to you because of the obviousness of your unshakable faith in our risen Lord.

Matthew Henry said this, “Faith demonstrates to the eye of the mind the reality of those things that cannot be discerned by the eye of the body.” Faith is the agent in which things that are not seen do seem to us as though they actually appear. It is the evidence, the proof, to the soul of man of the unseen world. Through faith you can be blind, yet see the Light, be deaf, yet hear His voice, be dumb, and yet speak to the masses. Even not having all the calculated tangible evidence, faith assures that it is reality. Faith is the evidence of things not seen.

The reason I included Murdock’s translation of this verse is because I like the word “manifestness.” Manifestness means “clearness to the sight or mind; obviousness” according to Webster’s 1828 dictionary. And that is exactly how it is for the ones “whose heart the Lord [has] opened.”

11:2 For by it [this faith] the elders obtained a good report.
11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


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 By Faith Abel

Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Faith is an offering unto God. I stress “unto (leaning towards)” God. This offering is a sweet smelling savor to our God. It must be directed to Him and through Him or it will not be acceptable. Many of us have seen “The Passion of Christ.” Do you know what aspect could never be shown on the screen? The smell of His offering. If you have ever smelt raw flesh that has been out in the open for hours, you know it does smell. Let’s not paint such a pretty picture of His beating. Surely the flesh was ripped from the bone and open to exposure. I may be wrong, but I’m inclined to think that open flesh being exposed without aid for hours was not a pleasant smell. Could it be that our pain and trails are a sweet smelling savor to our God? Could it be that the pain we feel for this world that lays in wickedness, is pleasant to Him? Surely the longer our old man has been dead and crucified with Christ it brings a more pleasant smell to His nostril.

Faith is a sacrifice. Oh, let our sacrifice be a more excellent sacrifice than Cain’s! I think about how the firstlings of Abel’s flock must have run so wild before the sacrifice. They were much different than Cain’s fruit. The fruit had no freedom to rebel. How can a fruit rebel from his master? Oh, but how the firstfruits of His creatures* were like Abel’s firstlings? We were so able to rebel and buck. Even more than able, we were willing. More than willing, we did it. Praise Him that we can be an excellent sacrifice unto our God! How commonly we hear these verses, yet how they apply.

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Faith must be eternal. Abel’s small sacrifice of sheep turned into a much bigger sacrifice that he imagined- his own blood. Oh, how many times we think our small sacrifices have no large end. Our faith must endure to the end. With that enduring it shall speak praises for all eternity to the Lamb of God, Who took away our sins! Our small sacrifice will turn into an eternal praise to Him!


*Jam 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.


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 Re: By Faith Abel

11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

If you see my faith, it is not made of myself which is seen, but it is made of God in Christ Jesus which we have not seen.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Phl 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

The Faith of: not faith in. The faith of Jesus Christ is righteousness and I have none of my own righteousness and also I have no faith that is of God. We have been made righteous by Christ that is born again in us, not by my works.
We have been made faithful by the Faith of Jesus Christ that is our righteousness. This is our sanctification, being made righteous by the Faith of Jesus Christ that brings us to His Faith that makes righteous.

My Faith in Jesus Christ is most certainly not of my self. It took the Holy Spirit to convict me of sin that is the only believing faith I have. I am a sinner and need a Savior. Then comes the Faith to become a son of God, that is The Faith of Jesus Christ and His Faith will lead me home. It is no longer I who live, It is not my faith but the Faith of the Son of God in whom I live and move and have my being. That is what salvation is about. We get rid of what we are and become who we are by the life of Jesus Christ that is in us. Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

I don't live anymore, Christ liveth in me. The life I now live I don't live by my faith, I live by the Faith of the Son of God.

Christ is our righteousness, Christ is our Faith and anything else that pertains to salvation and who we are. He is the Life, we live it.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

God has put us in Christ Jesus, God is made of Him to us wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption. Our Glory Is Christ and In all that He is including His Faith, that now gives birth of a Faith that will change us. By His Faith we learn to Love God and each other.

In Christ: Phillip


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Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down [from above]:)

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Who's Faith is it that give us faith in Jesus Christ?

Col 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

Herein is the acknowledgement of our Faith.

Phm 1:6 That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

Every good thing in us is by Jesus Christ and Him only and acknowledging Him and thanking God for the Faith of Jesus Christ given to each one of God's own children.

In Christ: Phillip


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 Re: Studying Faith

PreachParsly wrote:

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I feel impressed to do a study on faith, particularly in Hebrews 11. I thought I would share my discoveries and I would encourage you to add any insight you may have. I’m not a teacher at all. To be honest this could very well end up being embarrassing, but we will see how it goes.

11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (KJV)

11:1 Now faith is the persuasion of the things that are in hope, as if they were in act; and [it is] the manifestness of the things not seen. (Murdock)


In the Hebrew mind faith and faithfulness are the same thing.
It should be that also in reality to us.

Faithfulness is loyalty and obedience, fidelity.

[b]Hebrews 11:1[/b] [color=990000]Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.[/color]

In other words faith is substantial evidence of our hope, and a right response to God.

This hope is not a just a plain old wish, but a knowledge in which we know for a fact and await.

This verse tells us Who our hope is in, [b]1Tim 1:1[/b] [color=990000]Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Savior, and Lord Jesus Christ, [which is] our hope.[/color]

Therefore our faith is not a wish but a certainty, we never guess on God.

[b]Question:[/b] Would you rather have a lot of faith to walk on 1/2 inch thick ice or no faith at all to walk on 1 ft. thick ice?

Remember that it isn't our faith that we relye on, but who or what we put our faith on and/or towards.

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Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Faith is a walk with God. It is so humbling to walk with God. It’s amazing to think that God humbles himself to look upon this world (Psalms 113:6). He humbles Himself to look upon us which humbles us when we acknowledge Him. Oh, what a bond of humility! Pride surely is sickening to God. Pride will break that bond. What a glorious thing to think that in the bond- that walk- we are translated into His image. Originally man was created in God’s image. Man fell. Christ came and took upon Him our sinful image, yet without sin. Now we can be in His image. Now through Christ’s work we can bear to be in His presence. Without that there is no way we could walk with Him.

Enoch walked with God and was later not found. I’ve noticed that’s how it is when we walk with God. We are no where to be found. I am grateful for this truth. I don’t want to be found or noticed while walking with Him. Let us be hid completely in Him.

This walk of faith which leads us from glory to glory is pleasing to Him. This is because He is well pleased in His Son. When we see Him we shall be like Him. My prayer is that I would see Him for who He is and be conformed into that image. That in itself is the greatest reward. I wonder if I could be as bold to say that if being with Him and being conformed to His image isn’t your prime desire that selfishness and pride is in your heart. If that is true we are not in faith or walking with Him.

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


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"Remember that it isn't our faith that we relye on, but who or what we put our faith on and/or towards."

And it is Who has put His Faith in us. Romans 5:1-5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

We stand in this Faith and Grace and rejoice in the hope of the Glory of God. Who is the Love of God shed abroad in our Hearts? It is Christ Jesus Himself, for that is why the Holy Spirit is here, to shed abroad in our hearts this Christ that is birthed in us. Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

He is our life, our faith, our wisdom, our righteousness, our sanctification, our redemption, our justification. Our all in all.
Ephesians 1:12-13 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,

Christ is sealed by His rebirth in us by the Holy Spirit that is in us. Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. 1 Peter 1:22-23 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Who is the Word of God? John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. Him is Jesus Christ the Word.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

How do we live and have life? By His Faith that is in us. That is if Christ liveth in us.

In Christ: Phillip


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Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

The first thing I notice here is that Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. I’m sure Noah heard of what happened to his great-grandfather Enoch. Maybe Noah imagined what it would be like to walk with God and then one day just walk right up to Heaven with Him. Maybe he heard of Enoch’s prophecies (Jude 14). I know when I was young I would love to hear stories from my grandparents and how my family got here. Surely Noah was the same. If I heard that my great-grandfather walked with God and disappeared one day, it would stir my imagination! So surely faith can be imparted in a family line. If mothers and fathers walked with God, the children would notice! Maybe if the parents told their children how they were born again and how God has revealed things to them, it would stir the hearts of the children. I would love to see parents so walk with God that the children are so stirred to seek Him. By Noah’s faith, his whole house was saved!

Faith will build an ark that will weather the storm. Noah heard the warning of God and responded. This verse makes me think of how faith is a “building.” It builds and builds. Piece by piece, obedience by obedience, faith may start as just a seed but will grow into a large tree that fruit may be used to nourish not only you, but others. The more we come to the reality of faith the more we come into the holy of holies. Faith is the only way we can enter in. I heard Brother Ron Bailey once say something to this effect, “The Christian life is like a spiral staircase. It seems as if we are covering the same ground, but we are really on a new plane.” That is so true. It may see like we are always doing the same old thing, but really we are completing the ark. My prayer is that the church would not get weary in well doing, but that we would come to the perfect man.

The last part of this verse reminds me of a Leonard Ravenhill quote, “Have we no righteousness that reflects on their corruption?” It seems as if Noah did. Noah, by this faith, condemned the world because of his faith. The unshakable faith of Noah should have been a warning sign to the people that something had really happened to Noah- an encounter with God. I fear for so many that are around the Godly, yet will not repent. I believe that many who are around true Christians and never repent will have greater damnation because they seen such great light coming from that Christian.


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 Re: Noah

Is it mans faith the gets him saved or just believe? Is there a difference in the faith of man and the Faith of God? If we are saved by Grace through Faith and neither are of ourselves.
There is a difference in the faith of man toward God and the Faith of Christ being toward God. Man's faith can never be the Faith of Jesus Christ. I understand faith that was Noah's and Abraham's etc. but that Faith leads to obedience which leads them to the sacrifice of animals that their sin might be covered. This is the works of the Law, which saved no one or made a change in the heart. It did not make a difference in Israel for 4000 years.

The Salvation we have is completely different. We only have to believe in the name of the Son of God, Jesus Christ and who He is. This is revealed by The Father In Heaven. Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. This Faith by Grace is the Faith of Jesus Christ which the Holy Spirit uses in convicting us of the need of a Savior and the ability to believe the Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Phl 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

So how do we live the life of a new creature in Christ Jesus? Not by our faith but by the Faith of the Son of God. Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Praise God for the Faith of the Son of God that has been shed abroad in our hearts by the birthing of His Son in each of God's Children, including the Faith that is Jesus Christ Whom God has brought us to be Born Again by Incorruptable Seed of God in each of us by Jesus Christ. It is not our faith in Jesus Christ but the faith of Jesus Christ in us. This is life changing Faith, that our soul may be renewed to the Soul of Jesus Christ, for we have the Mind of Christ. Man's faith in Christ because of the the Faith of Christ in Man.

Abraham's righteousness was imputed for his faith. Our righteousness is because Christ in us has been made righteousness by His Faith the is in us. God made this: 1 Corinthians 1:30-31 But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. Our righteousness is not imputed but made in Christ Jesus by His Faith in us. This is the Rock of Revelation that Christ will build His Church upon. That Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

In Christ: Phillip


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Abraham's righteousness was imputed for his faith. Our righteousness is because Christ in us has been made righteousness by His Faith the is in us.



Christ doesn't come in you until [u]you[/u] believe.

Hbr 2:3 How shall [u]we[/u] escape, if [u]we[/u] neglect so great salvation...


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