IN HEAVENLY PLACES WITH JESUS
My main objection was not to a simple event, but to the admiration we were giving these emotional displays...especially among children. Not only children but also adults need to know the difference between spiritual maturity and emotional enthusiasm.
bro mike i feel you to a degree. i don't think that this is simply an emotional display by these children. now i concede that some parents in a spirit of self-glorification may teach their children such to make themselves look good and this will backfire. however the Lord is not beyond calling His children from a tender age and moving in them and through them in such a manner. and indeed we ought to be aware of the differences between emotionalism and spiritualism. it seems that most people or maybe it may be an even split would think this to be purely emotional, i honestly think not, i may be wrong of course but the deeper issue i guess would be, have we really done right by God in raising our on children? in all honesty that is.
There is no evidence of diligence or dedication in this audio. Instead what we have is a momentary but deeply expressed emotional state. The recording does not reveal what happened next week or next year in the life of these children. If in 10 to 20 years these same young people grow into mature Christians then we can attibute diligence and dedication to their characters. Real Christian diligence means years of staying the course, and our modern portrayal of revival as a rapid explosion of spiritual maturity does a real disservice to the development of the character in these young people.
bro you got me there, i was leaning toward this being genuine! nonetheless though, who is to say that these children have not been diligent? if they have been where does that leave us? :-? what if they have grown and even surpassed us in maturity at such a tender age? was our Lord not debating with the elders at the temple at 12? surely the Father can raise up even such babes to do such and even greater things? or do we belive God is that powerful? being in the Faith for many years does not always indicate maturity, if it did after how many yrs could we call a saint mature? being young also doesn't always mean being a babe in the Faith either.
If our children find themselves under the conviction of the Holy Spirit, then who are we to censure this? However, if our desperate belief in emotional displays begin to mold and shape their young personalities, wouldn't we be producing just the latest generation of shallow and unfruitful spiritual enthusiasts? Don't we have enough super spiritual Christians who see visions and cry tears in church services, and live unaffected lives through out the week?
Dead on bro Mike! if the Lord is orchestrating this we'd best not get in His way. then again if we as parents are training our children up to be emotional junkies, then like you said, we're raising a new generation of shallow Christians (if those 2 words can even be used in conncection to eachother!) then again if we don't train our children right, we're raising the enemy's seed so we ought to seek the Lord and honour Him in this lest the latter happen...
These are just a few of my concerns about extolling this audio as a benchmark for us to follow. As a special event it's perhaps commendable, but if we are routinely encouraging our children into this severe emotional condition, then we are distracted and negligent to their true spiritual development and perhaps forming deeper instability on a psychological level. (edit:imo)
i'm not sure it would be a benchmark, but if it indeed is a move of the Lord and somehow one of our kids gets it, i pray we'd do right by the Lord for His glory and trust Him to do whatever He needs to do. AMEN.
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Regardless if this is an emotional display or not, I believe that these children's hearts are more pure than fine gold. I know that Jesus loves these tender ones, and their innocence, no matter what their parents had to do with it. Even thought parents can mess things up so often!
I only wish that I myself was like one of these children in my heart again. Simple and trusting of Father and so hopelessly dependant on Jesus. What true humility.
Just my ramblings,
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| 2006/6/26 19:05||Profile|
I hear you GIRL, Whats up with THAT. Check this out I was at my girls gribb as she was flicking channels and heard this preacher talking on the TV about the Kingdom of God. Me and my girls started laughing, yeah right what God. Her old G walked into the room you know what Im saying and we started to head out when all of a sudden we dropped to our knees and began to cry and to say Jesus save us.
But how can they call on Him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about Him? And how can they hear about Him unless someone tells them? And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is what the Scriptures mean when they say, How Beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!*
But not everyone Welcomes the Good News, for Isaiah the prophet said, Lord, who has believed our message?* Yet faith comes from listening to this message of good news- the Good News about Christ.
But what about the Jews? Have they actually heard the message? Yes, they have:
The message of Gods creation has gone out to everyone,
its words to all the world.*
But did the people of Israel really understand? Yes, they did, for even in the time of Moses, God had said,
I will rouse your jealousy by blessing other nations.
I will make you angry by blessing the foolish Gentiles.*
And later Isaiah spoke boldly for God:
I was found by people
who were not looking for me.
I showed myself to those who were not
Asking for me.*
All day long I opened my arms to them,
but they kept disobeying me and
arguing with me.*
I WAS FOUND BY PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT LOOKING FOR ME.
I SHOWED MYSELF TO THOSE WHO WERE NOT ASKING FOR ME.
I will lead the blind by ways that they knew not, I will make there crooked path straight.
May we learn how to balance our goals with his purpose and destiny, always placing God, and Gods people first and foremost, and everything else second, in doing so you will learn how to die to self, and learn how to live for Him.
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| Re: What happens when children pray?|
Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,. This makes many people with big intelects as little as the smallest thing there is. Wow, the passion that they have surpases that of many proffesing Christians. I wich I could see this in many of the so called "Christian leaders" today. I wept like a baby. (even though the children may not know as much as other people of the reason why it is that we trully need a revival they surley are crying out to God with all their hearts and what they pray is very true.)Thank you Brother.
| 2007/7/31 19:17||Profile|
| Re: What happens when children pray?|
I don't really know what to think, and I don't want to think anything wrong about these children....
I do believe children can receive and apply the gospel. I'm going to try my best to have no opinion on the video since I don't know enough to have a good one.
I can't help but notice that whenever I see videos of child preachers or children praying someone usually marks it as child abuse... and on some secular sites the opposition to children obeying Christ is really really bad. Only a few years ago I heard about the government trying to take away some Christian kids from their father who was homeschooling them as godly children. God is over all so we need not fear, but we best be aware of what's going on.... Sorry if this was off topic.
| 2007/8/1 0:15||Profile|