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 Prayer and Worship TO or IN the Spirit?

Hi sb1175 and others,

I am glad that this posting has made you ponder.
I never said that the Holy Spirit is not God, He is a person and He is God. The Trinity is one of the great mysteries of God that man is not fit to explain to the full.

I would like to look more into the interaction of the 3 persons of the Godhead and their different roles and realms.

In many Charismatic circles the Holy Spirit is reduced to a power or force that is at our disposal and can be accessed to work healing, signs, wonders and manifestations at will. Then these people secretely take glory for themselves because they attribute it to their ability to "handle" this power. Most of them would not admit it openly, but this is widely practised. They pray TO the Spirit who they mistake for the power they are eager to see displayed. I would go so far and say that it can be done in a way where this power becomes and idol and dark forces are becoming active because it is not propperly aimed at glorifying God but rather feeding peoples lust for sensational experiences and soulish encounters.

This is a conterfeit of the real work of the Holy Spirit, who I believe still heals,works miracles, drives out demons, convicts. However, God receives the honor and their will be righteous fruit.

You may say that the women with the issue of blood accesssed God's power. Absolutely! However she threw herself at the feet of Jesus and trembled with fear. The Jesus released her and praised her faith.

In the Toronto Blessing inpired meetings people laugh and cookoo or bark. They fall backwards. They shake and shiver but not in awe of God. They are drunk, but in Acts 2 Peter said they were NOT drunk.

There will never be real conviction in the counterfeit displays of the "Spirit" work. Nor will there be an thorough expositon of the cross and the blood.

The Holy Spirit reveals the Son and the Father to us. He helps us to pray to the Father or Son with groanings and moanings that we cannot express ourselves.

There are a lot of references for people praying IN the Spirit or with the Spirit's behalf, but nowhere TO the Spirit.
I am not saying that you inevitably end up with the demonic if you do pray to the Holy Spirit. Most people have probably never really given it enough though.

The father received worship from the Son, the father spoke. It says in
2 Peter 1:17
For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

This reference is never made to the Spirit and there is a reason for that.

In John 17:13 it says:
He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

So when the Spirit does not speak of His own but delivers what he has heard and bring glory to the Son we should do the same. We who are filled with the Spirit should glorify the Fahther and the Son.

Here is an analogy. Suppose you eat an absolutely delicous meal in a 5 star restaurant. You are served by a very attentive waiter. You praise the food for its delicacy, but it is the cook who deserves the praise. The waiter serves what the cook has prepared and will perhaps pass on the praise to the cook who you do not see. Without the waiter, the food would still be in the kitchen where your cannot go. The waiter would be a bit embarressed if your praise him for cooking the meal and would try to divert the praise to the cook.

The Holy Spirit has a servant role, not of lesser importance, because servanthood is a very honourable attribute in the kingdom of God.
Without cook there wood be no food, without the servant there would be no enjoyment of the same, since you are not permitted into the kitchen. The Kitchen represents heaven where mortals cannot go.

The waiter also serves the cutlery which helps you to cut up or scoop up the food. Eating you have to do by yourself.

Hope this illustration helps.


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